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Written by Tcol from the blog POLOKWANE RIOTS on 19 Dec 2007
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Watching the results yesterday on the channel, it made my heart to skip a beat. How can you substitude someone who got intellectual and conservative economist, skilled in internal party politics with someone who has had no formal schooling?

The party elected a president who is on the verge of being charged for corruption. i have seen ANC members abuse the president in public. Now Jacob Zuma is a president i also plead for him to be given the same respect.

2009 elections i found the ANC loosing lot of votes because of the chaos within the party. Millions of people dont want to see and ex-corrupt to be their leader.

what does the public say about that.

40 Comments

azHOT
19 Dec 2007 02:24

How can you substitude someone who got intellectual and conservative economist, skilled in internal party politics with someone who has had no formal schooling?

are you saying that to be president of a country you need to have gone to some fancy university in a foreign country as opposesd to understanding the dynamics of a country(its people)?

i'm not a zuma fan i'm just curious about some of your points.

2009 elections i found the ANC loosing lot of votes because of the chaos within the party. Millions of people dont want to see and ex-corrupt to be their leader.

zuma hasn't been tried for corruption and he certainly hasn't been convicted so again, i'm lost.

perhaps if you clarified these i'd be enlightened.

Miss K
19 Dec 2007 02:34

The fact that there are even charges against him is enuf to question his leadership abilities. No u don't need fancy education to be intelligent but does he really understand SA and its dynamics, does he understand the economy and what influences it? To me he doesnt come across as someone who does, maybe thats becoz everytime i see him on tv he's singing that song or making little sense. Mhhh only time will tell, i hope he proves me wrong and if he does i'll come here on TVSA and eat humble pie!

edgards
19 Dec 2007 02:46

asHOT you are Msholozi 's supporter,it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.The truth is that there are certain things that you earn,like trust and respect.trust and respect are some of the things that you need as a future president of the country.Tell me, who respect a person who intentionally sleep with a person HIV POSITIVE without a condom.what does that say about their self control and their way of thinking.Secondly,who trust a person who keeps company of crooks who are tried and found guilty of corruption

I wish to start by voicing my disappointment on the state of South African Politics for the past two years. One has been keeping quiet about the state of politics and the succession debate for sometime. Having had the opportunity to browse through the freedom charter, I wonder if the interest has changed or it has been relooked.
I hear many comments, people blurb luring about the next president and have come to realization that everything is based on the slice of bread/cake not the interest of the people and that of the Democratic Country we claim to have.

Those who voted Msholozi,Jacob Zuma should be the next president should bring forth their objective reason so that some of us should understand. At these present moment I want to understand the reason why I should vote Zuma or agree that he should be my next president but seem to fail decimally to come up with objective reasons. I don’t care whether you label me anti Zuma or pro.i don’t think any of those label have a positive effect on the future of this country.Dont tell me that Zuma should be the next president based on the fact that he was involved in the struggle and he should now benefit.What about those unknown figure who were involved in the struggle but they are still struggling.Some of the former MK soldiers are struggling but were involved in the actual fightings unlike others.

Though I think Mr zuma has a lot to offer our country with regard to politics but I still don’t think my dearest former favourite deputy president is fit to be next president of my dear country.If you asked me before 2003 I would have shouted “ZUMA FOR PRESIDENT”. Questionable morals and lack of self-discipline of my former obvious candidate are some of the reasons that make have doubt his ability to be the driver of this undoubted infant democracy.Instead of the public reading about his plans and economic policies that he wish introduce for benefit of the Country ,we read about his involvement in corruption and rape cases which dealt a blow to his public image.Only GOD can save Zuma ‘s situation.By the way I am not anyone’s puppy and will never be just a concerned citizen.
UNLESS MIRACLE HAPPENS I AM NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR ANC OR ANY PARTY FOR THAT MATTER.GOD PLS SAVE US FORM OURSELVES.

Babyface
19 Dec 2007 02:58

At least now Thabo Mbeki knows that he is not bigger than the ANC, His favouritism cost him a lot.

KeleFabulous
19 Dec 2007 03:08

well said edgards!

myname
19 Dec 2007 03:14

Amen Edgards

realist
19 Dec 2007 03:33

How can you substitude someone who got intellectual and conservative economist, skilled in internal party politics with someone who has had no formal schooling?

The same guy keeps the company of the health minister who is a thief and incompetent in her portfolio, keeps on protecting the police commissioner and suspend the NPA boss for an alleged mistrust between him and the justice minister. The same person who denies the existence of HIV. The same guy who denies that crime is not as bad as the media made it out to be. The down fall of TM was his own propaganda machine. He believed everything that they told him and such did not read what was happening on the ground floor.

If you remain aloof to the people that put you in a position, just remember that the very same people will kick you of that position. I am not a supporter of both candidates, but I am willing to take a chance with JZ.

LM
19 Dec 2007 03:34

Ke laka

LM
19 Dec 2007 03:35

Ke laka leo, Edgards.

Thobeka Jeli
19 Dec 2007 03:46

AG SORRY FOR U BRA THABO MNA ANDI BAFUNI XABEBONKE PHOFF ANDI FUNI KWA NOPHI UMBUTHO NOBA NGOKABANI SORRY ANDINAVOTI FOR NO ONE ENKOSI MHLALI NGAPHAMBILI NGIYABONGA NGOBU XOKI NOBU MENEMENE ZONKE I PARTY AKUKHO NENYE ENE NYANI IYILEYO ITHETHA OBAYO UBUVUVU QAKE PHOFF KE NGELO XHESHA KUXOKISELWA OTHINA BA AND BE TYOLANA NGEMPHAZAMO ZABO

andi01
19 Dec 2007 04:41

If the anc isnt capable of making decision within themselves, how will they be able to make proper decisons for the country. Who ever voted JZ for ANC president has killed the ANC, and Mbeki's tactics and hide and seek games are slowly but surely detroying this beautiful country of ours, for years blacks have been fighting, crying and demanding "izwe lethu", that the white folks took from us, I hope that "we" will sleep well at night knowing that we "loyally" gave it back to them. It took us years to get power and freedom, I wonder how long it will take for "us" to get it again.

Thobeka Jeli
19 Dec 2007 04:54

@ andi0 SAY THAT AGAIN BRATHER WE ARE SO DEAD OR MAY BE THINGS CAN TEN UP JUST FINE WHO KNOWS

Zee Babes!
19 Dec 2007 05:20

Edgards -

Tell me, who respect a person who intentionally sleep with a person HIV POSITIVE without a condom.what does that say about their self control and their way of thinking.Secondly,who trust a person who keeps company of crooks who are tried and found guilty of corruption

I think all these questions are based on their private lives and it has nothing to do with their leadership style - you see, JZ is the parties president and it is the party dat make policies and not individuals.... and as for corruption - arms deal involved many of the parties stalwarts, his case was single out and the good out of that happened Shabir was convicted and if JZ was to be found guilty - his deputy will lead.... and you know that a person is innocent until proven guility. He was trialed for rape and found not guilty, he should be trialed for corruption and the law will take its cause. You are missing the point - it is the same policy makers who showed a vote of confidence in the man. Remember its not an individual only show, its the party that voted for him.

myname
19 Dec 2007 05:24

@TJ uAndi yi cherry sana

Best-Achiever
19 Dec 2007 05:55

with the questios at hand, i wud suggest that everybody look at all sides of the road before crossing it, please follow the link to enlighten your mind. Remember guys thisis politics and everybody can do whatever they want to get what they want at that time, but truth will always come out. did it ever cross your mind why NPA keep saying that they gonna lay charges and never does? this is politics and my gts tells me that they are not prepared for what gonna come out of it if they put JZ in court again, you'll also be suprised. Alot that you think has been happening and you'll be suprised that more people are invlolved in this and this time(if they charge him), all those people will go down with him and i just wonder what will become of SA. but just know that there is more to this that you actual think you know...... if you know politics you understand exactly what i mean. you can follow the link to get a liitle clue, stll more to come

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=iol1198045331922C645

Toodecent
19 Dec 2007 06:20

All Men will now have access to dikuku tse di innocent, shower an baby oil...it doesnt get better than this ... Oh gosh am scared actually. Poor Thibos...will be with you all the way.

Mathaz
19 Dec 2007 06:26

Well Zuma has done it all, and you do not have to have formal education to be a leader but it helps. The country under the leadership of Zuma might not be bad at all. Remeber he is not the only one who come up with policies. If policies do not change then there is nothing to worry about. Politics are very dirty thus when Zuma showed interest in the top position his scandals started coming out. People voted for Zuma because they had no alternative, Mbeki should have groomed Nkosazana.

Mbeki is my favourite and I will always rember the good that he has done and his intellectual side. If i were him i would resign because. I do not see him reporting to the Zuma's NEC.

carino
19 Dec 2007 06:35

Moving on to something else....

Did you know that i've been trying to audio-stream to Motsweding FM for the past three days and it says there are too many people trying to connect, so i cant get through???? Do they really have that many listeners?

mseu
19 Dec 2007 06:39

Toodecent. how can you really say that (dikuku tse di innocent) do you really think gore that women was innocent when she slept with JZ, no I don't think so. though luck for uThibos he only has himself to blame for what happend. UZuma is the new ANC.

carino
19 Dec 2007 06:41

Toodecent
19 Dec 2007 06:49

Did you know that i've been trying to audio-stream to Motsweding FM for the past three days and it says there are too many people trying to connect, so i cant get through???? Do they really have that many listeners?>>> At Carino.... Motsweding FM was upgraded to the biggest streaming solution from the past 3 weeks. The problem of them being Capped cant be happening now.Unless you trying to access them from the SABC website or their website from the p2p streaming links u will eperience that problem. Streaming is my profession... and we do all SABC, Primedia and other Community radio stations.

Malindie
19 Dec 2007 06:50

Tell me, who respect a person who intentionally sleep with a person HIV POSITIVE without a condom.what does that say about their self control and their way of thinking.Secondly,who trust a person who keeps company of crooks who are tried and found guilty of corruption .

Andiyazi ukuba siyaphi bantu in this country ngoba lo tata ineziqendu /izicandal zakhe ezimhlazisileyo ,nezihlaze nelizwelethu but still siphathwe nguye .we are not going anywhere instead will be like Mugabe's country.i ve tried today to look his pfofile but i didn't find anything that show his education .

realist
19 Dec 2007 06:58

I did not have a sexual relationship with that woman. Remember who said those words. Compare him to George Bush and tell me who is the better leader. JZ is not yet the president of the Republic. There is still 18 months to go before he becomes one, that is if he is not going to jail.

By that time you will know whether he is going to be a better leader or a dictator.
So for now keep your options open to this guy.

Remember education is not always the answer but make no mistake it should be a pre-requisite for the top job.

carino
19 Dec 2007 07:00

I'm doing it from the SABC website, TDC, But i got through now, it's fine. Thanks...

I know this is irrelevant for this blog but one more question, TDC, what's p2p?

tshepiso
19 Dec 2007 07:23

All Men will now have access to dikuku tse di innocent

hi hi hi ka re dikuku tsa rona di bone sono iyooooo maweeeeeeeeee!
Manto o tshwanetse go tla ka plan ya gore dikuku di tsengwe di romote control mme di tshwarwe ke batsadi ba rona.

@Carino ge nkabe JZ a le monate nkabe ngwanyana a sa motshwarisa, ke a belaela or wena?

tshepiso
19 Dec 2007 07:27

Lex, atleast JZ ga a itse Maftown dikuku tsa rona di safe hip hip huraaaaaaaaa

carino
19 Dec 2007 07:30

@Tshepiso... ga o ake.... ngwanyana ga a utlwa sepe... That's why a ne a na le maatla a go ya go tlhapa... gongwe e bile ga a a tsena le go tsena.

Flo-Jo
19 Dec 2007 12:03

1 thing that I'm grateful for, at least all the other people will come back to politics....the likes of Cyril Ramaphosa.So, there's still hope

I know u gonna come down on me like a ton of bricks on this one, but at least the monopoly has been stopped!!! Representation of some demographics has been achieved

Brown Shuga
19 Dec 2007 12:43

<<<People voted for Zuma because they had no alternative>> Amen to that and Amen to every point made by Zee Babes, Mathaz & Realist!

KeleFabulous
20 Dec 2007 01:16

thank u for that link Best-Achiever! my fave quotes from it:

As we talked about what seemed like the prospect of a Zuma victory, anyone overhearing us would have deduced - just from our tone of voice - that we were discussing a death in the family. That such an individual should be assuming the mantle of Luthuli, Tambo, Sisulu, Mandela: what a sad and precipitous decline!

then, basically listing the reasons why Zuma won:

Zuma may or may not have done damage to one unhappy woman. But how many men and women - and babies - might still be alive today had it not been for Mbeki's perverse neglect?

Come 2009, Mbeki will have been in power for 10 years. Mandela served for five, having had the wisdom to announce within minutes of becoming president in 1994 that he would step down after one term. He did so partly in recognition of his advancing years, but chiefly because he saw the importance of the democratic example he was setting in a continent where presidents tend to remain in office until the day they die.
Mbeki, unable to repress his lust to remain the power behind the throne after he has stepped down from it, has set precisely the opposite example.

Come 2009, Mbeki will have been in power for 10 years. Mandela served for five, having had the wisdom to announce within minutes of becoming president in 1994 that he would step down after one term. He did so partly in recognition of his advancing years, but chiefly because he saw the importance of the democratic example he was setting in a continent where presidents tend to remain in office until the day they die.

Modern, sophisticated and clever man that he is, he lacks that great and fundamental democratic attribute - the willingness that FW de Klerk displayed gracefully, generously, wisely to relinquish power; to hand the spear to the next leader when the allotted time is up.
The pity of it, and the measure of how abjectly he has put his private aspirations before the greater good, is that by insisting on perpetuating his grip on power, he has prevented Cyril Ramaphosa - or any other potential rival to Zuma - from coming through.
If he really believed that Zuma would be bad for the country, the one thing he should have done, but could not find it in his heart to do, was bow out and cede the field to someone who would lead South Africa soundly and respectably, in the finest traditions of the ANC's principles and values, whose defender he claims to be.
That is why South Africa finds itself in the outrageous predicament it is in right now, one where the president of 45 million citizens is elected by a select 4 000 - one 10-thousandth of the population. That's an awful lot of responsibility, especially in a young, unformed democracy.
But that is what has happened here as, rather belatedly, I have come to understand. Mbeki, it is now clear, is guilty of a more dangerous crime than any Zuma might be guilty of. He has abused power on a grand scale.
Yes, yes, most certainly: Mbeki is not all bad. He is not Attila the Hun, nor Hendrick Verwoerd; nor even George Bush. What he has achieved in terms of sustaining South Africa's political stability and macro-economic health has been impressive and admirable. Those achievements will also be remembered by the historians. The tragedy of Mbeki is that - like some of the Shakesperean heroes he loves, but whose lessons he has failed to understand - he over-reached himself.

WhiteSockGirl
20 Dec 2007 01:56

I found this discussion extremely interesting. I will of course keep my opinions to myself as we Namibians have own drama to deal with.
@carino: if you have no interest in an article or the replies, can you please just ignore it? If you need assistance, try the GB of the mods or the admin staff. That is just basic courtesy.

azHOT
20 Dec 2007 04:46

@edgards refer to all realist's replies. Mbeki isn't any better than uZuma in the morality stakes.

The same guy keeps the company of the health minister who is a thief and incompetent in her portfolio, keeps on protecting the police commissioner and suspend the NPA boss for an alleged mistrust between him and the justice minister. The same person who denies the existence of HIV. The same guy who denies that crime is not as bad as the media made it out to be. The down fall of TM was his own propaganda machine. He believed everything that they told him and such did not read what was happening on the ground floor.

it doesn't really matter whose side i'm on because i'd be on any other side except that of Tbose. As citizens of a democratic country we are entitled to change. perhaps our economy will suffer under the Zuma rule and whatever else that could go wrong will but it's going to be an interesting ride. 2009 will be the first time i can vote and i'm not missing it for the world. I'm going to vote for an organasation which i believe represents my interests and the Tbose-led ANC did not. i'm allowed to self-destuct if i choose to.

azHOT
20 Dec 2007 04:50

The tragedy of Mbeki is that - like some of the Shakesperean heroes he loves, but whose lessons he has failed to understand - he over-reached himself.

he forgot that SA is not his private country to do with as he pleased. Zuma was voted in to vote the tyrant out.

Toodecent
20 Dec 2007 04:53

I know this is irrelevant for this blog but one more question, TDC, what's p2p? >>> peer 2 peer.. to explain what it is I will be highjacking the article.

Back to nonsense...everytime I see or hear Zuma this...Zuma that I get sick..and as for die child-man called Fikile he makes me even more sick. They shud make an election for the youth leuge and get that ish of of there.

Brown Shuga
20 Dec 2007 04:57

<<Fikile he makes me even more sick. They shud make an election for the youth leuge and get that ish of of there.>>
That won't be necessary TDC, he's already announced that he won't be "serving" another term....(not sure what it is he is does and to whom that service is provided....)

Toodecent
20 Dec 2007 05:06

That won't be necessary TDC, he's already announced that he won't be "serving" another term....(not sure what it is he is does and to whom that service is provided....)>>>Thanks God...!

realist
20 Dec 2007 05:34

@ azHOT

he forgot that SA is not his private country to do with as he pleased. Zuma was voted in to vote the tyrant out.

Amen

Lex
21 Dec 2007 04:25

Lex, atleast JZ ga a itse Maftown dikuku tsa rona di safe hip hip huraaaaaaaaa
Tshepi,thank goodness re safe ntwana.But honestly nna I'm not comfortable with the fact that Zuma has won,the man makes me uneasy,and I honestly dont think I'll vote in the next election.I dont wanna be a contributing factor to letting our country go to the dogs.If it happens that our county improves under the Zuma leadership,then like one of the bloggers has already mentioned above,I WILL EAT HUMBLE PIE,mara zuma ene bagaetsho,ke a gana...

Vhutsila
21 Dec 2007 05:00

My view, Tboz should have known better, African Leaders wants to be in power for ever and to me that does not make any sense. Tboz ngeyi hero if he opted for declining but he didnt and he made it easy for Mr Zuma to win the anc president. I personal think that Tboz is an intelect but sometimes that is not enough in politics, especial for a man who grew up in London not ekasi, i timing goes a long way bantu, but I still admire the man for all that he has done and continue to do for this country

I personal think that God will be the one judging Mr Zuma not us, however in moving forward He must know better kaloku he is a leader, and kaloku he must be very careful of what he gets up to. For Zuma to succeed he will have identify key people irrespective of the Tboz and Zuma camp, kuba kaloku he will require certain skills from the individuals that mite be in Tboz camp....man such Joel Netshitennze (policy coordinator) and e.t.c
I wish Zuma all da best and I hope that he sorrounds himself with relevant people who will contribute in making this country a better one... if he works collectively he will succeed,sometimes its not matter of how much you know but the willingness to learn and the power of delegation within your team & Kgalema Montlanthe is one of the leaders that cud assist JZ.

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