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Written by Cande from the blog This That There Then... on 01 Jul 2008
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Yesterday's episode of Motswako scared a living hell out of me, when i heard of what gals who have backstreet abortion get up to.

Thanks to that guy who borrowed my keyboard, i couldn't take snapshots of the guests

The main guests was a girl who had an backstreet abortion, she was 15 at the time it happened.
this was her story

She found out on the 2nd of October through a home pregnancy test that she was pregnant, she told the baby's father and he supported her. They decided to wait for a month to see if she doesnt get her periods. She missed them and the baby's father was supportive all this time. In december she got really sick that she she had to be taken to a doctor because of stomach cramps. Her mother stayed outside when she went inside the doctor's room. I was like @ 15? , my mother still went inside with me last year @ 21..! The doctor did confirm that she is pregnant.
She never told her mother or anyone in the family but instead she called a number that she found on daily sun for abortions. She said the person was in Roodepoort and she went there the following day.
The guy put 4 pills into her private parts and she was told after 7 hours she will give birth and she should take the baby and throw it in the bin very far from her home. The pills never worked the first time, she went back again and the second time around they worked.
She said she felt labour pains at night and went to the toilet time and again. When her mother asked her what was wrong, she said it was period pains..! her mother didn't mind because she had problems with period pains everymonth.
When her mother went to the bathroom, she found blood on the floor and she asked her daughter if she had an abortion. Her mother said she felt like she was thinking bad things about her daughter and she left her.
This girl said she took the baby and wrapped a newspaper around it, put it into a plastic and threw it in the neigbours's drain. She was sick after that and the baby's father thought it was pregnancy related and he offered to take her to the doctor

Two days later she noticed a cord growing inside her, and it was smelling terrible. She then decided it was time to tell the family.
The family took her to the doctor and she stayed in hospital for about a wek, because they needed to clean her inside and when she got back they organised counselling and she is now fine and is not ashamed to speak about it.

What bothered me is that
She never wanted counselling before the procedure, she said she just wanted them to remove the baby.
She had all the support from the father, but then again she thougt of her studies and disappointing her family.

They also had a guest from a centre in Gugulethu, who explained that she has cases like those on a daily basis and most gals resort for backstreet abortion because they scared that nurses in public hospitals may know them and that way they might become a disgrace to their communities and sometimes they even get chased away at churches.

The last guest was a doctor from Marie Stopes clinic, who explained how you spot a shady abortion practitioner.
First of all, they give cell numbers as their contacts and they mostly pick up gals from shady corners and take them to where the procedures is to be perfomed.
pre and post counselling is not compulsory with them.

Although i do not think abortion is the solution to the problem of unwanted pregnancy, i think gals should refrain form backstreet ones.
How many people have died from it?

I have heard stories of people drining sta soft or boiling the green sunlight bath soap and drinking it, just to kill a baby that you could have safely and freely removed from the goverment hospital.
I hear nurses in goverment hospitals are very rude to gals giving birth or having abortion but then i still think one cant risk her life because of a nurse, who doesn't want to do what she gets paid to do.
I've heard stories of "open your legs wide like you were doing when you were making this baby", but i do still think anyone who is seen advertising this backstreet abortions must be tracked down and arrested.

107 Comments

Cande
01 Jul 2008 03:45

What abortion stories have you heard of?

myname
01 Jul 2008 04:01

eish joe its so sensitive. Lets hear from other bloggers......

Toodecent
01 Jul 2008 04:06

Cande if you planning to kill my baby then you next :-)
Damn extremely sensitive story, on stories I have heard are similar to your last 3 senyences.

felfel
01 Jul 2008 04:09

mstick
01 Jul 2008 04:09

errrr...........scary stuff........i shall be back

Cande
01 Jul 2008 04:11

Cande if you planning to kill my baby then you next :-)

TDC, that girl's mother yesterday said young girls who abort their babies are killing the nation, how can i kill a future president maara?

Cnglemother
01 Jul 2008 04:14

Thanks Candzozo for this topic, was hoping someone wud bring it up 1 day coz it bothers me. let me go back & read ke sisi.

Cande
01 Jul 2008 04:14

Nurses are not only rude to the girls who come for abortions but to the ones who arrive to give birth. I know someone who was made to walkaround the hospitaal while the baby's head was vissible and as a result the baby has a funny shaped head......

eish Felfel, and now the baby's mother has to live with that her whole life knowing that it could have been prevented.

and what happened to confidentiality? i do not understand how the nurses could spread the fact that "so and so" had an abortion.

carino
01 Jul 2008 04:14

tjo....

carino
01 Jul 2008 04:14

tjo....

felfel
01 Jul 2008 04:16

There are really too many gruesome stories out there yazi......especially in the township hospitals.....

belz
01 Jul 2008 04:17

This is a sensitive subject. But one thing i always say is, if you HAVE to do this, go to a proper doctor, nurses are very rude, they harass you if you decide to give birth and they also harass you if you want to abort, they basically are not happy where they are and they are bitter, so rather let them harass kodwa besenza into eright, rather than these backdoor things that can actually kill you. eish sensitive indeed.

Strolicious
01 Jul 2008 04:20

I've heard stories of "open your legs wide like you were doing when you were making this baby", bathi ingena shaped like a banana but upuma shaped like an apple....bayadelela,

Cande
01 Jul 2008 04:24

bathi ingena shaped like a banana but upuma shaped like an apple....bayadelela

LoL!!

No offence intended, we not referring to all the nurses in goverment hospitals, only those mean ones

Weiss
01 Jul 2008 04:28

Gosh!!!...

Simmone
01 Jul 2008 04:33

On the nurses issue: Somehow I feel compelled to mention that not all of them are like that and for some of them there are cultural and spiritual beliefs that cause them to be anti-abortion and somehow they vent their frustrations (which is wrong) on the girls because there are laws that sort of force them into doing the procedure regardless of their beliefs. Some of the nurses are mothers and to carry out an abortion on a 13year old who will seconds later be back to the streets like nothing happened and repeating the very same cycle. At age 16 there are girls who have had three abortions already.

Some of these girls come into the hospitals wanting an abortion knowing full well they are past the regulated time and they lie saying they are not and when the procedure is done a full developed baby comes out.

Circumstances can be different and let’s not paint with one brush.

Nice article Cande.

Cnglemother
01 Jul 2008 04:37

OMG what women go thru is hell and the men dont have to live with the repecurssions of these horrific events. The woman on 3rd degree who did the same but was unsuccessful is stuck with a mentally disabled child coz of this bullsh*t. Our public hospital nurses need to change this mentality period.

UberB
01 Jul 2008 04:41

This is a very sensitive topic indeed. One that i believe I might have a little experience of.
1. My aunt(uncle's wife) therefore we are not related. Anyhow, she has two girls who are toddlers. She fell pregnant a year ago. At that point my uncle was leaving for home, so he went on holiday. Clearly she was pregnant, but throughout the whole damn six months she tried to hide it. Wearing baggy pants and large jackets. When my uncle left, she looked up an abortion doctor in the papers and found one. During the weekend she went to PTA for the whole day. Later that night we heard screams in the bathroom. the next morning, her tummy was flat as ever. There were stains on the bathroom floor, and miracuosly(sp) the dish we use to wipe the floor had disappeared. She had a renewed sense of vigour and to this day I cannot believe that she murdered a six month old baby.

Fluffy Head
01 Jul 2008 04:42

What mentality do they need to change Cnglmom???

Strolicious
01 Jul 2008 04:43

when my dad found out i was preg,he thanked me for keeping da baby ,he said"thank God coz u didn't go behind our back and abort da baby.

Msoe
01 Jul 2008 04:52

@Simmone : What about those girls who go to hospitals because they are raped or have rather decided (which is their right) to not have a baby and who has valid explanation on why they do it? Yes i do not understand when a 16 year old comes to do a third abortion but they shouldnt use their religion as a weapon of embarrassing, abusing and tourouring young girls. When you are a nurse, teacher, journalist, politician your religious beliefs should interfere with your job, JUST DO YOUR JOB AND SHUT YOUR CAKE HOLE.

I know of a friend who got an arbortion at a public hospital, the night she took the pills the baby did come out but the cord was still attached to the womb so thing was dingling between her thight. She said she was advised not to cut the cord if this happens because she will bleed to death. Just imagine taking public transport and going to a hospital with a featus between your legs. Its traumatic!!! I was thinking how many featus are found daily at the sewerage and how would I feel when i wake up to take my morning pee and there's a baby in the toilet. NKOSI YAMI!

mstick
01 Jul 2008 04:54

God u knw i really try to understand y ppl do abortions mara nna if i were 2 fall pregnant i wont do it, it doesnt matter wt age young or old hell 2 de no......i dont wanna traumatize myself and living with de guilt

Cande
01 Jul 2008 04:58

Some scary ish Msoe..Dang..!

Cnglemother
01 Jul 2008 04:59

Fluffy I am referring to the ill-treatment of these girls &women going for abortion at public places, they always impose their cultural & christianity beliefs to the whole thing (why work in the medical field if you still so against other alternatives). The verbally abuse and torment i saw on 3rd degree was beyond me. Just because their beliefs dont accomodate abortion it gives them no right to torment those who exercise this right. Abortion is here to stay no matter how much we are disgusted by it, so attitudes really need to change.

It must be traumatic for these nurses to see dead foetuses and fingers on the floor everyday and I would not want to be in that abortion room myself but its part & parcel of their job.

I hear your point Simmone but we all know onesi bethu can go all out to humiliate and embarrass you in front of everyone.

BFL
01 Jul 2008 05:00

sensitive topic indeed.....

Simmone
01 Jul 2008 05:00

@ Msoe....please go back and read the part in the brackets. Its wrong. But the trouble of having rights is that somehow to get your rights you have to trash someone elses rights.

Mathaz
01 Jul 2008 05:01

Abortion is just cruel, i don't know what's worse between abortion and abondoning your new born baby in the bushes. I think young girls and even old ones for that matter should be educated that having unprotected sex is in a way conceiving a child. There are so many childless women, who would do anything to conceive and we get the ones who do and then aborting their babies. Circumstances of life are not fair.

BFL
01 Jul 2008 05:04

Onesi bethu bagcwele ukuchwensa nje qha.......when they r doing their work, they should forget abt their beliefs and jst be professional....hai indaba yokunyunda the ppl who come for abortions...

XGZGP
01 Jul 2008 05:08

:( i missed the show..

Cnglemother
01 Jul 2008 05:09

Mathaz, its so sad when you hear that someone has aborted more that 3 times and there is a woman who cannot bear children at all, life is not fair.

mabhebheza
01 Jul 2008 05:09

Kwek...!!

Fluffy Head
01 Jul 2008 05:12

Ok Cnglmom I understand you very well.
Now lets continue with this (for argument sake) a bit further.

Say in your job you were forced to do something you do not liek that goes against your principles. Your employees clearly knows where you stand but for some reason he used the law as a way to make sure that you do what they want or you take a hike...(say for instance - all the male visitors in your building : quite extreme but it illustrate my point). So you have a family to feed, bills to pay and have no other skills besides being a 'receptionist for instance.... Trying to justify why you stay you tell yourself I need to feed my kids and its not like I'm sleeping with these men. You'll still be frustrated about what you have to do, but you'll suck (no pun intended) your pride and do it cause you need food on your table.
Tell me, where would you vent out your frustrations???? If it were me....I'd take it out on the men.

Point is, we need to look at this thing from the governement nurses point of view. They either do the abortion or they loose their livelihood. They gotta vent their frustrations out on someone and the 13 year old wanting an abortion is a very easy target.

Toxic
01 Jul 2008 05:13

wish i had seen this. thanks Cande for the article. Unfortunately, can't comment on stories i know about as i dont mara i'm reading the comments on this article.

BFL
01 Jul 2008 05:17

FluffyHead..........these ppl went to school to study to become nurses.....they knew exactly what they were letting themselves into......so they really need to be professional......and not at any time be JUDGEMENTAL.....only GOD can judge, not a living human being walking in this earth.......cause no one is perfect...

Simmone
01 Jul 2008 05:18

@ Cnglema….problem is the constitution says it’s not part of their job. A similar show played on Special Assignment a year ago, and it was based on the struggle nurses and doctors faced with carrying out the procedure. They explored the spiritual and cultural beliefs of nurses who refused to do the procedure but they were forced to by the hospital management and the health department.

Seems its not as black and white as we believe.

Nonny
01 Jul 2008 05:19

Nice article Cande, mina I just don't know how do u manage to find peace of mind after doing an abortion, whether backstreet abortion or front street.

tha - bang
01 Jul 2008 05:19

its not easy being a lady nhe.bt abortion is truely scary thing even for us guys.i feel for all thse guys who had to make a choice on t,i wouldnt wish it even onto my worst enemy

Fluffy Head
01 Jul 2008 05:23

BFL : Untill recently, it was illegal to do an abortion in SA. So yah when they went to school they were not faced with that dilemna.

BFL
01 Jul 2008 05:25

ABORTION IS BAD.......zajika izinto emhlabeni......uthixo qha owaziyo...who came up with this thing vele....yeeeerrrrr

BFL
01 Jul 2008 05:27

FluffyHead: I hear u.......change is good but sometimes it brings bad things, then kuba yinkani for them to put up with this nonsonso.....

felfel
01 Jul 2008 05:27

Mathaz, its so sad when you hear that someone has aborted more that 3 times and there is a woman who cannot bear children at all, life is not fair.

Cnglemama a woman who can't bear children can go and adopt a fresh baby from any adopting agency or opharnage, there's plenty of babies who need mommies out there, its not the aborters fault some women are barren .........

Cnglemother
01 Jul 2008 05:29

Then that would be wrong Fluffy to take it out those men ofcoz i would be miffed and maybe have a long face all the time but not go to the extent of calling them names and ridiculing them and make them feel like scum. I am sorry I cannot look at it from the goverment nurses point of view, its purely inhumane and disgusting.

Maybe then these nurses must butt out of this profession go and sweep the street or something if they cant handle the heat.

tha - bang
01 Jul 2008 05:34

although i agree with everyone that abortion is wrong but the nurses should not ill treat people just because they feel that the act defies the sense of being.its not right,its not their job to increase the pain and burdenof their patients.
even if abortion was illegal it does not necessarily mean it would reduce the rate of people getting them.i think the idea of making it legal is to make it more safer and less traumatic.i feel the nurses are adding to the trauma

Mambox
01 Jul 2008 05:35

LOL Nonny front street ne?

Cnglemother
01 Jul 2008 05:37

oh felfel why put it so bluntly ntanga LOL?

I wonder if there's certain nurses who perfom it and what's the criteria before one is chosen to be an abortionist? They must all be chickened out through out the whole selection process praying & hoping that they dont get picked.

problem is the constitution says it’s not part of their job, Simmone what? Didn't they change the whole thing when this was legalised kanti?

felfel
01 Jul 2008 05:41

There's no excuse for the way nurses treat people in hospitals, if it was frustrations then it would happen in other public hospitals in town. I'm referring to the one's in CT cos i know that side best. My sister gave birth in a public hospital in Mowbray, she gave birth to twins. After popping the first one she went to chill and the nurse helped her clean herself until it was time to pop the second one. Had she gone to a township (basically one with black nurses) she wouldn't have got that treatment. Its the same with family planning clinics, where there's black nurses there's incompetency and ill-treatment. My cousins our suburb adress to access the family planning clinic in the suburbs and they come across warm people who want to help. Not the ones in the township who look at you funny as if you going to family planning pills to sleep with her husband.......

Cnglemother
01 Jul 2008 05:45

its not easy being a lady nhe.bt abortion is truely scary thing even for us guys.i feel for all thse guys who had to make a choice on t,i wouldnt wish it even onto my worst enemy, really thabzozo coz you guys are best advocates for this option? Sorry my friend not getting personal but i was impressed to see that there are men who are freaked out & disgusted by this.

myname
01 Jul 2008 05:52

Guys I can imagine a lady reading this after going through this s***For sure its a hard decision.

tha - bang
01 Jul 2008 05:55

I know cnglemum that us guys are ussually the first to call for such things because we see it as the easy way out. ive had a friend who has gone through one.It was an eye opener and i really do sympathise

Cnglemother
01 Jul 2008 05:56

if it was frustrations then it would happen in other public hospitals in town.

Felfel on that point there's two sides to the coin dear, you must also remember that the suburban facilities are more well equipped, not understaffed and no influx of patients like in our own black facilities so that must have a little bit of an effect to the general warm and accomodating nature of the nurses. Its not an excuse to the disgusting behaviour that our nurses exhibit but nurses truly speaking suburban nurses are really having a jol ( i used to have my family planning sessions there when I was in high school & tertiary).

Dont forget guys young black girls are turning this option into another family planning option, hence you get people having multiple abortions in a space of 12 months.

Cande
01 Jul 2008 05:56

LoL @ backstreet and front street abortion..

Cnglemother
01 Jul 2008 06:00

I meant to say truly speaking suburban nurses are having a jol

Cnglemother
01 Jul 2008 06:08

Then again Fluffy its easy for me to yep-yep coz i am on the other side of the fence, my view might be different should I be seeing dead foetuses everyday and umblical cords lying around all over the place.

Nonny
01 Jul 2008 06:16

Interesting replies.

Simmone
01 Jul 2008 06:23

problem is the constitution says it’s not part of their job, Simmone what? Didn't they change the whole thing when this was legalised kanti?

@Cngle, the constitution recognizes that every professional person is a human being first and foremost. and in SA you basically have the right to refuse to do something if its in direct conflict with your religion or ethics.

In the constitution nurses are also recognized as human beings contrary to popular belief and therefore afforded the same rights as the rest of us human beings who seem to think other wise.

felfel
01 Jul 2008 06:25

I hear you Cnglemama and thats true hey, they do have it easier. There's even one not too far from my home in Diepriver, its in a secluded spot covered with trees...lol, i used to go there anytime of day and i'd get assisted, sometimes there'll be only one person ahead of me , no queus and i enjoyed the counselling i used to get there, while my friends were suffering from swollen assess from the needle jab in the township.....lol

belz
01 Jul 2008 06:27

Question: is drinking morning after tablets classified under abortion?

molibelis
01 Jul 2008 06:32

Yes its true that nurses are good to those who are killing babes,and rude to the ones who are brinnging lives

felfel
01 Jul 2008 06:33

No Belz , good question anyway...........lol

poshspice
01 Jul 2008 06:34

Nice article Cande, mina I just don't know how do u manage to find peace of mind after doing an abortion, whether backstreet abortion or front street.

guys these things happen, it can happen to you when you find yourself with unwanted pregnancy. I've learnt not to judge because I have discovered that many people, people I admire or look up to go through things I consider immoral and never tell, deal with them their own way, because they had their own reasons.the truth is it can happen to you and me in the future.

Cande
01 Jul 2008 06:34

Question: is drinking morning after tablets classified under abortion?

No Belz, that is called deactivating the sperms so that they don't work..LoL

Fluffy Head
01 Jul 2008 06:35

Sori cnglmom: I was out for a while.
You know what I think can be a 'solution' to this thing.
Never force anyone to do something that is outside of their belief system. No law in our country should force anyone to do anything they do not believe in, especially things that touch on morality and religion.

Law - says you are a nurse and thus should provide all services required by the community.
Constitution - talks about freedom of expression and choice, and religious freedom...
But try and take your case to the constitutional court as a nurse telling them that you refuse to do any abortions on grounds of religius beliefs....you'll have to wait 16yrs for the case to be heard and in the mean time you are suspended from work course your local magistrate court will rule against you...

felfel
01 Jul 2008 06:35

No Belz , its used to avoid ama abortions lawo, good question anyway......lol

belz
01 Jul 2008 06:36

LOL Cande, deactivating, kwakwakwa!! thx felfel.

Cnglemother
01 Jul 2008 06:39

while my friends were suffering from swollen assess from the needle jab in the township.....lol.The suburban nurses would still advise you to rub the area with cotton and surgical spirit but ekasi no such luxuries dear.

We are now even scared to speak up and stand up for our rights to the nurses at the private practices because of the mentality we adopted growing up to be terrrified of nurses.

Thanks Simmone for the enlightment but the constitution is also confusing nayo NXX, like its contradicting itself with these mixed clauses & acts. They gooi all the laws and now going and grab the humanity aspect and put it the mix to give an unclear mixed masala message.

The explanation you just gave me is very unclear & confusing to an ordinary Nomalanga on the street who's desperate "to get this thing out".

felfel
01 Jul 2008 06:39

uthini na Molibelisi ?

belz
01 Jul 2008 06:44

Molibelisi: LMAO @ your name, sorry man but liyangihlekisa igama lakho, there is something efunny ngalo, especially in felfel's reply.

Cnglemother
01 Jul 2008 06:45

Cande LOL! its debatable dear coz it also depends as to when does conception take place??maybe sonke si-abortile nje ngalama morning after wethu.

belz thanx for question, we gonna need expert advise on this one can someone google this info for us pls. Segololo where are you when we need you.

belz
01 Jul 2008 06:51

Therefore, if a woman ingests emergency contraception after fertilization has taken place, the third mode of action can occur. The lining of the uterus can be altered causing the woman's body to reject the living human embryo, making implantation impossible and the child will die. This result is called a chemical abortion; therefore emergency contraception is an abortifacient.

Got this from this site http://www.morningafterpill.org/how-does-it-work.html

OMG, so y'all that have had the morning pill, ni arbotile!!!

poshspice
01 Jul 2008 06:53

ABORTION IS BAD.......zajika izinto emhlabeni......uthixo qha owaziyo...who came up with this thing vele....yeeeerrrrr

these things that are considered taboo or bad like abortion used to happen way back during Shaka Zulu's era and even BC (before christ). it was just kept a secret. Nowadays we have access to information and we are big on tranparency .

when growing up In townships, you'll hear so&so had an abortion. you know how township peeps are accurate with their diagnosis of people. they will tell if a girl is is pregnant before she even confirms herself. but if the pregnancy disappears, he he township people will even tell you whose granmother helped to make the problem go away..

carino
01 Jul 2008 06:53

What we, as young people need to do, is *Eliminate the element of Surprise!* SCRUTINISE!* coz everything is a risk!!! LOL

Cnglemother
01 Jul 2008 06:54

belz i hate you LOL!

Cnglemother
01 Jul 2008 06:59

belz i was not ovulating on both occassions i just used it as precautionary measure so its very unlikely that i had conceived, eish nawe ma uyadika with your scrutinity attitude LOL.

felfel
01 Jul 2008 07:02

"An abortion is the removal or expulsion of an embryo or fetus from the uterus, resulting in or caused by its death. The spontaneous expulsion of a fetus or embryo before the 20th week of gestational age[1] is commonly known as a miscarriage.[2] Induced abortion is the removal or expulsion of an embryo or fetus by medical, surgical, or other means at any point during human pregnancy for therapeutic or elective reasons."

When you take a morning-after pill a fetus has not yet been formed therefore you are not aborting but rather avoiding an embryo/fetus from being formed, hence taking the pill within 72 hours/3days.

Simmone
01 Jul 2008 07:07

Belz..........................thathi cover

Fluffy Head
01 Jul 2008 07:08

Ok I think we have to be logical when it comes to afterpills.
Question: Why are you taking it
Answer: I'm scared I might be pregnant and as such will use it to avoid something growing inside me for more than 24hours...

Baby is a baby....2hrs old or 4 weeks old. If you are against abortion you must be against morning after pills...You can't support one over the other___that's contradicting your own beliefs.

Cnglemother
01 Jul 2008 07:08

so grand-grand felfel implantation has not occured within that 72 hours. So is the sperm still wandering around the area? having not met the ova.

poshspice
01 Jul 2008 07:09

my view-always keep an open mind. for me there is nothing painful like a sight of a child that is clearly not taken care of, born in poverty and in a loveless environment.

It's easy to say no to abortion when we are not even a giving nation. how many of us assist orphans, poor kids, sponsor a child's school fees coming from a poor family. we are quick to say 'why did she have a child if she can't afford it' yet when she wants to abort this child we critisize. I say let's allow people to make their own decisions and look closer to cases of those who abuse the system.

felfel
01 Jul 2008 07:10

BELZ!!!!! There is no baby the following morning after u've slept with ur man with no protection, just a curious sperm which has been longing to shela your egg, taking a morning after pill is like placing a boom gate in front of that sperm to 'say voetsek wena come back next year when ur daddy got cows''.....hihihihi

Cnglemother
01 Jul 2008 07:10

oh nanko noFluffy adding salt to the wound LOL!.

Cande
01 Jul 2008 07:11

Y'all need to confess your sins (killing) and ask for the Lawd's forgiveness.
LoL :)

mstick
01 Jul 2008 07:12

@belz..........i hate doctors with stats.......to me now ur a Doctor........sh!t i've used those pills gal........y y y???????? like Cnglemom said i hate you LOL....yho! i cant blv ds

Cnglemother
01 Jul 2008 07:14

Fluffy what i am getting from your statement is that Biology or no Biology it all boils down to conscience (sp), true dat. I wont lie to you and say i did not feel guilty when taking those pills.

I had missed you miss Open Minded (posh).

poshspice
01 Jul 2008 07:15

Baby is a baby....2hrs old or 4 weeks old. If you are against abortion you must be against morning after pills...You can't support one over the other___that's contradicting your own beliefs.

hayi bo Felfel, yare ou not are misleading people here .....so what if a person forgot to take contraceptive pills and hav sex with hubby, and financially they are not ready to hav a baby, what is that person suppose to do? don't take morning after pill? phela wena uthi akumithwe udede..( you r saying people must just fall pregnant don't even try to prevent it)

belz
01 Jul 2008 07:16

So is the sperm still wandering around the area> LOL!!!

taking a morning after pill is like placing a boom gate in front of that sperm to 'say voetsek wena come back next year when ur daddy got cows''.....hihihihi> LMAO!!!

Cnglemom: manje wena ubhizi uyaexplaina nje, yini uguilty? LOL, mina ngisakuthanda nje noma wena usungihater kangaka.

guys i know i only copied that paragraph and nami ngiyazi ukuthi the following day its not even a foetus, jsut wanted to draw your attention to that website, coz there is a lot of information on the pill. im not going to thatha ikhava, ngoba angenzanga nto ewrongo.

poshspice
01 Jul 2008 07:17

yare ou not are misleading people here

I meant- are you not misleading people

Nonny
01 Jul 2008 07:17

"What we, as young people need to do, is *Eliminate the element of Surprise!* SCRUTINISE!* coz everything is a risk!!! LOL"
ahahahahah good one Carino, I love those adverts!!!!

felfel
01 Jul 2008 07:20

Viva Morning afters......hihihihihi, phantsi nge abortion.....lol

Cnglemother
01 Jul 2008 07:20

going to lunch sinners (felfel & me) & non sinners (belz) LOL, c u on the other side of 3.

Cnglemother
01 Jul 2008 07:22

love u belz!

felfel
01 Jul 2008 07:24

Baby is a baby....2hrs old or 4 weeks old. If you are against abortion you must be against morning after pills...You can't support one over the other___that's contradicting your own beliefs.

hayi bo Felfel, yare ou not are misleading people here .....so what if a person forgot to take contraceptive pills and hav sex with hubby, and financially they are not ready to hav a baby, what is that person suppose to do? don't take morning after pill? phela wena uthi akumithwe udede..( you r saying people must just fall pregnant don't even try to prevent it)

Poshspice i didn't write that part Fluffyhead did.

mstick
01 Jul 2008 07:29

'Say voetsek wena come back next year when ur daddy got cows'' @ felfel........kikikikikikikik dt just killed me........tl tl tl

poshspice
01 Jul 2008 07:32

Fluffy what i am getting from your statement is that Biology or no Biology it all boils down to conscience (sp), true dat. I wont lie to you and say i did not feel guilty when taking those pills.

I had missed you miss Open Minded (posh).

hey there Cnglmother, thanks,well I do feel guilty the morning after, for having had unprotected sex , not about taking the pill.

felfel
01 Jul 2008 07:32

Belz i saw that site, and guess wat there's many that argue the opposite, that site must have been developed by some anti-abortion people. Everyone has an opinion about everything. Thats their opinion, it doesn't affect me. I take morning afters for emergencies like if a condom bursts and i don't feel guilty about it at all (matter of fact i feel relieved) becos according to my own research its not an abortion. Scientists will argue till Kingdom come about this. You can put them in a room now and ask them to debate this matter, i tell you izofika i2010 idlule besaxoxa.

Nonny
01 Jul 2008 07:38

I like the way u think Felfel.

Mambox
01 Jul 2008 07:38

Thanks felfel now i feel better... Mina as long as nothing comes out it's not an abortion.

Fluffy Head
01 Jul 2008 07:39

Felfel: LOOOL at boomgate for the sperm
Cnglmom: That's it girl _ uthini unembeza ma udla amamroning after pill...
Poshspice: Besides hungry kids and poverty....the person who suffers the most when it comes to abortion is the would have been mother. So why do you find it wrong to abort a 4 week old feutus and not a 6 hour old embryo..??? Unembeza uzokudla either way!!!

Cande
01 Jul 2008 07:45

when i was in High school my doctor prescribed contraceptives for my heavy period pains, my mother refused even up to this poing she doesnt want me to.
she says id rather buy 240 pain killers every month than use contraceptives

'say voetsek wena come back next year when ur daddy got cows''.....hihihihi

LMAO

Mambox
01 Jul 2008 07:46

HHay Fluffy how do you know that the person would have been pregnant anyway...akukho 6 hour embryo la! umuntu owenza i-abortion knows there's life in them...Morning after you're just terminating the possibilty of life!

carino
01 Jul 2008 07:53

The reality is, this topic is a bit too heavy for a Tuesday afternoon.

Bottom line is, uma umntwana angimfuni kodwa iflesh2lesh ke swa ka yona,, ngizodla imorning after, whether this was discussed or it wasnt.

Fluffy Head
01 Jul 2008 07:59

So what you are saying Mambox girl is......if there is no life - its all good but if there is a life you are terminating it and hooray they have chemicals to get rid of it. I don't know biology at all but my logic tells me a baby is a baby...(embryo/feutus/infant). If you are either against abortion (feutus or embryo) or you for it or you are indifferent... Don't say the other is wrong and the other is not wrong...Contradiction

Fluffy Head
01 Jul 2008 08:02

Bye guys...goota bounce

Cnglemother
01 Jul 2008 08:16

Fluffy ndikuva nje kakuhle and you dont need to explain further.
Posh its the morning after that i feel guilty about not so much about the unprotected sex.

Nonny/Carino/Felfel/Mambox u make me laugh the way y'all all going on about ibiology & google.

Cande nice topic BTW!

mstick
01 Jul 2008 08:17

Bye fluffy

Firstdvd
02 Jul 2008 00:18

@CANDE...I watched the show but what kind of a mother is that? She couldn't notice a thing. Shame on her man!!!

sjura
15 Jul 2008 07:38

@ Simmone
Sorry luv, your comprehension of SA law/The Constitution of The Republic of S. Africa Act 108 of 1996 seems a little if not grossly inacurate!! Into is, the moment SA law recognised the need for and actually promulgated the right of females to undergo abortion procedures as part of their reproductive rights, then all State Departments involved incurred the obligation to accede thereto. Laymen's Terms: Nurses have no choice but to perform these procedures as it is a constitutional right of those who choose to do so. It is part of their job description and failure to do it amounts to a Constitutional infringement, you dig?

The moment you step into your employer's premises you become an employee, your principles or religious convictions DO NOT MATTER, JUST YOUR LABOUR, THANK YOU!!!

zolx
15 Jul 2008 08:12

From the few responses i've read people are talking about the right & wrong of abortions. i think this topic is about doing back street abortions and not whether its right or wrong but its clear from your replies that we know who goes to these backstreet abortionists and why.

Whether or not its right to abort lies with the person - their reasoning behind thinking of aborting. So i'm not saying its right or wrong.

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