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Zille vs Msholozi Again

Written by maddie from the blog Zille vs Msholozi on 12 May 2009
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ANCYL slams 'racist girl' Zille
12/05/2009 13:43 - (SA)


Cape Town - The ANC Youth League has launched its most personal attack yet on Democratic Alliance leader Helen Zille in response to her remark that President Jacob Zuma has put his wives at risk of contracting HIV.

The league said it was "disgusted by remarks attributed to the racist girl Helen Zille, who when failing to defend her stupid and sexist decision to appoint predominantly white males into her Cabinet, attacks the president of the Republic of South Africa (sic)".

"Zille has appointed an all male Cabinet of useless people, majority of whom are her boyfriends and concubines so that she can continue to sleep around with them, yet she claims to have the moral authority to question our president (sic)."

The Sowetan on Tuesday quoted Zille as saying: "Zuma is a self-confessed womaniser with deeply sexist views, who put all his wives at risk by having unprotected sex with an HIV-positive woman."

Militant action

The remarks reportedly came in response to criticism from Congress of SA Trade Unions (Cosatu) Western Cape secretary Tony Ehrenreich on the composition of her provincial executive.

Zille is the only woman on the team.

The ANCYL threatened to take "militant action" against the premier.

"If the fake racist girl Zille continues to speak hogwash like she has been doing during elections, we will take militant action against her, and demonstrate to her that she does not have monopoly over the Western Cape (sic)," it said.

"The fake racist girl who was dropped on a head as child should understand that South Africa will never be a Mickey-mouse republic like she wants to portray it (sic)," it added.

"An absolute majority of South Africans support President Jacob Zuma and will find it very disgusting for a fake racist apartheid agent to continue undermining the highest office in South Africa (sic)."

ANC condemns Zille statement

The ANC has also condemned Zille's statement, saying it was "astounded by the extraordinary attack by Democratic Alliance leader Helen Zille on the person of President Jacob Zuma."

Zuma conceded during his rape trial in 2006 that he had had unprotected sex with his accuser, an HIV positive family friend, but said he had showered afterwards to minimise the risk of infection.

Asked for comment, Zille's spokesperson Fritz de Klerk said a response was being drafted. 

source : http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2515183,00.html

196 Comments

maddie
12 May 2009 15:31

is this ever going to stop or is it the beginning

teev
12 May 2009 15:44

Zille has got a crush on Msholozi..

mana melita
12 May 2009 15:48

I think uZille must be stopped now this going to far this woman is out of order. Everytime yena when she makes a speech she must mention Zuma's name instead of saying what is it that she is planning for the people base Western Cape ne DA yakhe.

cleve
12 May 2009 15:49

Teev she has a serious crush. But naye she must accept that Zuma is her president before she gets another heart attack.

Pooky
12 May 2009 15:51

President Jacob Zuma has put his wives at risk of contracting HIV.

...that's a bit personal now isnt it Zille...gees what a careless statement

Best-Achiever
12 May 2009 15:54

We will never hear the end of this

maud
12 May 2009 15:57

heyi sisazoboreka yilendaba manje

HARAMBE24
12 May 2009 16:02

LOL.....Zille has appointed an all male Cabinet of useless people, majority of whom are her boyfriends and concubines so that she can continue to sleep around with them, yet she claims to have the moral authority to question our president (sic)." 

Thatha ANC Thatha

Lex
12 May 2009 16:02

Teev I think you are right,what business of hers is it if he passes HIV to his wifes,unless of course she also wants to be JZ's sleeping partner.I personally dont like JZ mara ous Helen wa tella straight.She must just be like me and accept that JZ is her president and there aint sh!t she can do about it.

sexyd
12 May 2009 16:09

@ Teev LMFFAO

Zille has got a crush on Msholozi..

maud
12 May 2009 16:09

@Lex- well said straight and forward.

maddie
12 May 2009 16:10

confession: i'm sucker for TVSA blogger's replies

maud
12 May 2009 16:10

inculaza izoba eka Msholozi nabafazi bakhe ,ungenaphi yena, kwazi bani mhlawumbe unayo naye nx

HARAMBE24
12 May 2009 16:11

LEX..o boa nnete waitse..This girl wa tella...LOL

maud
12 May 2009 16:14

zille she has done herself now,they are after her she digged the hole let her swim, bame phezukwakhe manje njengo tere.

teev
12 May 2009 16:21

exactly-maud, yena uNontsapho ungena phi????? 

abafazi baka Msholozi never had a problem naye, noba she slept with an HIV positive woman...they are okay even now.... Jeezzz  lomama must get a life ohlukane no J-Zee, and yeah man she must accept ukuba u JZ yi President yakhe...and yes i ANC izophatha ade abuye uYesu...sies, ndanele ngu Godzilla maan, nxaaa (enomsindo u Teev, efuna ukumka kwakule WC)...

maud
12 May 2009 16:24

itsho -TEEV -elilika nontssapho livelaphi sana?

pumzo
12 May 2009 16:30

HAYI BO U ZILLE UMCWASILE UMSHOLOZI!!! AKONELANGA NGALAMA BOYFRIEND AKHE AWAQASHILEYO KWI CUBBINET YAKHE HAYBO GIRL COME ON .

blakrose
12 May 2009 18:00

Unomsindo lo gogo gayi suka. Akayeke uMsholozi phansi, they must just all leave him alone and let him prove the haters wrong.

Kakapana
12 May 2009 19:24

Juju isnt this the time to kill for zum zum... anything to shut this woman up

Foxxy
12 May 2009 19:39

I must say JZ is the only person acting like an adult in all of this. I really admire him for his composure.

Helen's statement is true, but none of her business, we also don't care anymore. The ANCYL's responses are just plain stupid, but Zille is almost on the same level as them...

Firstdvd
12 May 2009 20:04

Ya this is getting personal. @ first I thought Zille wants our votes...........but naaah, she's crossing the line now!!!

Firstdvd
12 May 2009 20:07

Ya this is getting personal. @ first I thought Zille wants our votes...........but naaah, she's crossing the line now!!! This is OUR(Zille included) president man! nx

Green.arrow
12 May 2009 21:27

Both Zille and ANCYL ba nale ka ganong go gobe....must they be so insulting and tactless all the time...very childish...and it doesnt make me respect any of them...

And i must say the one thing i respect about JZ is his ever gracefull and all intergrity response to all the bad stuff that has been said about him...respect TaZuma

and whats this "militant action" that ANCYL is ever threatening......???

Venusseed
12 May 2009 22:05

This woman sounds like a 10 year old. Kante does she not have a job? Is she aware that the elections have come and gone? I though I was listening to news from 2006. Aahhhh....grow up

Green.arrow
12 May 2009 22:10

..oh my...how can Juju call Zillie a rasist gal just like that....
1. she's older
2. He is perpetuating a very bad and inhumane nd scary attitude ko his "followers"

sumone asks in the begining of the replies.."when is this going to stop..."
i think not next year..as long as Juju and co as well as Zille and co still speak in their tactless tones..

Again big ups to the president 4 not commenting on either of their comments....(ancyl and zilles)

etv...they go and emphasize on the fact that the ANCYL letter was full of grammatical errors.....how is this supposed to help me with breakfast 2morow morning...???

Sobza
12 May 2009 22:11

Inyani iyababa neh? Tell him Godzille.......LMAO. Now you are attacking Zille....I wonder if you were gonna say the same thing if it was the other way around.

It's good for the ANCYL leader to attack other people and it ain't right when Zille attacks your president.

Kakapana
12 May 2009 22:17

My thoughts exactly ga..as much as the sabc supports the anc,etv is also guilty of supporting the da.

Sobza
12 May 2009 22:25

istrongo ihabiya awanityisa yona umsholozi......ukuthi nje uninxibise eyentsimbi idyasi.

Kakapana
12 May 2009 22:27

Green.arrow
12 May 2009 22:35

..yerrr,,,Sobza ntwana.....im lost...read 4 tyms..still no luck....help with sum translation there plz

Lady D
12 May 2009 22:46

Zille is no more asking for it she's begging for it,Zuma better safe us the misery and give it her,with or without a condom,she wont mind!!!!!

HARAMBE24
12 May 2009 22:49

lol@ Lady D

Lela
13 May 2009 02:14

Mos uNontwibikho needed someone as childish as her to attend to her childishness and the ANCYL was that someone. Kona I was also wondering ba ingenaphi ke ngoku eye grammatical errors mnxm!

Lela
13 May 2009 02:20

istrongo ihabiya awanityisa yona umsholozi......ukuthi nje uninxibise eyentsimbi idyasi.
Direct Interpretation(Msholozi has fed you a very strong korobela and the thing is he has dressed you up in a steel jacket)

awelani
13 May 2009 08:02

Hayi man,, what daz this woman want vele?? she must just leave my president (her boss) alone,,i think the bottox has gone to her brains now, she is obssesd ngo JZ shem,,his wives have no issues with what he did, what's her problem???  NX!!!!

Lessie
13 May 2009 08:07

Zille is just damn irritating. 5 years listening to her rubbish is a long time indeed. The racist woman is brainless

Cande
13 May 2009 08:14

OMFW??? Is this necessary guys??

Cande
13 May 2009 08:18

But guys why is anyone not saying anything about the ANCYL comments?? I know Zille is VERY wrong for saying this but ANCYL were not suppose to respond in that manner. You dont fight fire with fire.. Both parties are getting childish and boring now. We ned them to deliver what they promised in their manifesto's and not this kinda of babaric, personal attacks.

Cande
13 May 2009 08:27

and one thing that i respect about JZ in all these is how cool he is with everyone, you will never hear him attacking anyone(Mbeki, zille) like that. abo Malema n Vavi do it for him and he stays clean in all this.. I mean did you see how they hugged with Mbeki on saturday? that was a genuine hug and i was wondering how Malema,Mbalula,Mantashe,Vavi were feeling about that..

Cande
13 May 2009 08:28

So this should be more like Zille vs ANCYL not Msholozi coz he is not part of this immature behaviour

maddie
13 May 2009 08:37

emotions aside people let's look at this thing objectively

zille was responding to the ANC criticism of hiring an all male cabinet, i don't hav info on what they said exactly and she said you're accusing me of not adhering to gender qoutas but ur president has questionable sexist views:

when a woman is horny according to the Zulu culture, u don't leave her hanging - this was Zuma's statements not Zille

i had sex with an HIV positive woman without using protection - again Zuma's statement, now tell me didn't he put his wives at risk  by doing that (am not talking about the shower cos it is out of the question)

unfortunately bloggers this is something that our beloved President will be remembered for in as much as Bush will be remembered for his war in Iraq, Clinton - Monica Lewinsky sex scandal, Mbeki for his AIDS denialism, Mugabe well for Zimbabwe.

Recently concluded research shows that these are some of the common beliefs among teenagers in the Anglican Church:

HIV/Aids can be transmitted via toilet seats, and the virus can be avoided by having a bath after sex. 

now this is scary

my take on Zille's statements - she stooped so low this time, she could have just given her reasons for hiring a boy's choir instead of mentioning Our President sexual history besides the question was not even related to HIV/AIDS policies

ANCYL -  they stooped to her level as well, those are serious allegations and what makes her racist?

both Zille and ANCYL acted so childish

maud
13 May 2009 08:40

@Cande- we all knew that ANCYL was going to commend, my problem with Zille was why start the fight if you know you wont win, as much as people might not understand this, i like Zille i think she is a very strong woman, and the statement she made  ,yes she was right ,but is it not too late for that? the battle has been won, there is no turning back.

she should start campaining for the next election, she just might win, this round she lost. and she must take it like a lady.

One and Only
13 May 2009 08:40

The whole saga started when Helen Zille was accused of being racist on her cabinet's appointment to which she answered by giving facts that most women in DA opted to go to parliament unlike the ruling party which never had the woman president in 90 years of its existence.

The less said about the ANCYL the better, can anyone tell me why it was created? What has it done so far for the youth of SA? Why are they appointing themselves the human shield of the president? Knowing that whatever they say represent the views of the youth of SA makes me feel ashamed of myself. When are they themselves gonna appoint a woman/ white person as their president?

In all her debates and statements Helen Zille has always stated the facts and up to now she's never been racist but the problem with us the blacks is that we do not want to accept the truth if it comes from a white person. We are like Zim which is embracing North Korea just to spite America.

What do we mean by SA being a democratic country? There's no freedom of speech anymore, you say something against the president you are labelled as racist. Zim also went through the same process.

Any opinions expressed are those of the author and do not necessarily constitute the views of the Company.

monchooza
13 May 2009 08:46

True that candy... As much as I am not a Zuma fan mara noh that guy is a cool somebody as for juju and bottox they must just take their stupid lust ezingubeni and bonisana there

maud
13 May 2009 08:47

@maddie - if you followed the news , she started ,then they responded,i will send you both speeches and check the times of responds.

we all know about the what zuma said about woman left hanging he won the case of that woman.
HIV story was debated long time ago,
now what iam saying is Zille must just let it go. all the points that she is raising were already raised before and yet he still became our president.

Mathaz
13 May 2009 08:51

One and Only -  I could not have said it better. 

maddie
13 May 2009 09:01

@maud

he won the case but what he said will always remain, it's not going to go away, especially now that he is a president. i mean we've got teenagers now believing that if you take a bath after unprotected sex you wont get HIV

don't let your love for Our President cloud your judgement, you need to look at things objectively otherwise this country will go down the drain

As much as I am not a Zuma fan mara noh that guy is a cool  @monchhoza

he should just stop allowing people in the organization to speak as they please, don't the ANC have a spokesperson kanti

BigMama
13 May 2009 09:06

Reply from: teev 5/12/2009 9:44:12 PM

Zille has got a crush on Msholozi..

Msholozi must give her a little shag maybe she will be able to keep her mouth shut. She is always after Zuma, she must stop with her rubbish talk and let the ANC get to work and deliver what they promised to the people. Zuma did not elect himself, we the people of South africa found him well enough to be our president. What Zuma does behind closed doors its his business, even if he is HIV positive to me it does not matter as long as he delivers to his people. Zille must get a life and stop attacking Zuma, l am sure if she wants war of words she can face up with Malema.

BigMama
13 May 2009 09:08

Reply from: maddie 5/13/2009 3:01:25 PM

@maud

he won the case but what he said will always remain, it's not going to go away, especially now that he is a president. i mean we've got teenagers now believing that if you take a bath after unprotected sex you wont get HIV

Those teenagers are stupid, don´t they learn about AIDS at schools?

Toxic
13 May 2009 09:12

yho guys, when are you moving your politics blog to citizen X?

sweetie my baby
13 May 2009 09:30

there's so much work to do and these two are trading insults worse than they did before the elections! sies, i'm disgusted!

i don't know why zille's bringing stuff from 2 years ago up now - haven't we hashed through zuma's statements enough? - as for the youth league - equally disgraceful, their response....

this represents a new low for both camps, and the most let down is US, the citizenry! all those campaign promises of focus, development, growth.... and they're at it like kids in the playground. such a profound disappointment.

cleve
13 May 2009 09:40

yho guys, when are you moving your politics blog to citizen X?

@ Toxic it's hard to start something new hey.

maud
13 May 2009 09:43

@maddie- Me and Love of the President same sentence? i  dont think so, i always liked the ANC- as i have said in some debates, i am done with Politics i just sit and read peoples mind , to see who is stupid and who is brilliant, what am saying is wether you love him or you dont he is a president wether the stigma will remain or will go away, he is still our president, we just have to live with it. dont love him buit live with it. you will syrvive.

One and Only
13 May 2009 09:45

It's hard to discuss politics in SA especially with the quality of youth that we have, which most do not think beyond adolescence and relate to every issue as a matter of crush or shagging. Let's think beyond pubertal stage.

A public figure holds certain standards in the community and whatever they do behind close doors and in their own spare time is our business as citizens of the country as he is our president irrespective of whether he delivers or not.

The statement that most people who voted for the ruling party has done so with their hearts and not minds is the truth that cannot be denied, everytime one of their ordinary supporters or youth league speaks it is demonstrated.

We are in the middle of the global financial recession and most people that are gonna be affected are the youth and nobody is saying anything about this in the youth league. Why? because they do not even understand what this is. And we all know that one of the factors contributing to crime is that young active people are unemployed.

I still have to see a day when the youth league would comprise of lawyers, doctors, teachers, engineers etc not the matriculants we have currently or maybe we don't have educated youth in our nation which also cause a concern. I really think that blacks need to be taught what politic is.

Any opinions expressed are those of the author and do not necessarily constitute the views of the Company.

maud
13 May 2009 09:46

@BigMama -Those teenagers are stupid, don´t they learn about AIDS at schools?
i coudnt have said it better, thanks

Cande
13 May 2009 09:46

ja its like moving pix to Snaparazzi, its sooo difficult yet we have to do it. Citizen X is waiting people

maud
13 May 2009 09:49

@Toxic - this is a heathy debate, some people will be healed by this topic.immotionally and spiritually.

maddie
13 May 2009 09:57

Those teenagers are stupid, don´t they learn about AIDS at schools? 

ever heard of the word role model?

one and only - u do make sense wena

TerryN
13 May 2009 10:02

i don't know why zille's bringing stuff from 2 years ago up now 

Y personal attack??
Zille was out of line...whatever happens into Zuma's private sex life is his PRIVATE life. Zille you have gone too far, sista!

awelani
13 May 2009 10:09

@One and Only:

-I really think that blacks need to be taught what politic is. 

-but the problem with us the blacks is that we do not want to accept the truth if it comes from a white person

Please make use of  the word"some",, dont generalise

Cande
13 May 2009 10:13

Y personal attack?? Zille was out of line...whatever happens into Zuma's private sex life is his PRIVATE life. Zille you have gone too far, sista! AND SOO WAS ANCYL Tazz

Linomtha
13 May 2009 10:23

Cape Town - The ANC Youth League has launched its most personal attack yet on Democratic Alliance leader Helen Zille in response to her remark that President Jacob Zuma has put his wives at risk of contracting HIV.

Zille must stop being childish this an old story, why is she bringing this now?  Everyone is aware of Zuma's Rape. The court didnt find him guilty anyway."Life must go on" we cant afford to listen this rape thing over  and over.

maud
13 May 2009 10:34

@ one and only -but the problem with us the blacks is that we do not want to accept the truth if it comes from a white person. dont bring the race in this its about individual. and no one denied the truth , we just said she must let it goooooo- as TJ jakes will say.

we all new what ANCYL  is capable of, so i was not surprise, although very dissappointed to Zille i had faith on her, i never thought she will stood so low.
but what can we say. its politics for you.

TerryN
13 May 2009 10:40

AND SOO WAS ANCYL Tazz

yes Cande BUT she (Mrs Zille) started it!!!

BigMama
13 May 2009 10:45

ever heard of the word role model?

Thus still stupid, they should know that you can never minimise getting AIDS by taking a shower. AIDS is the Worlds national anthem.

l still say what Zuma does behind his closed doors its his business, unless if he is doing it in the office.


It's hard to discuss politics in SA especially with the quality of youth that we have, which most do not think beyond adolescence and relate to every issue as a matter of crush or shagging. Let's think beyond pubertal stage. I really think that blacks need to be taught what politic is.
.......The problem is you have underestimated all blacks

Lessie
13 May 2009 10:49

she just might win....... It will be a ridicolous move to elect dis woman as a president. I am not for Zuma myself, but this empty-headed woman is something else. She is so obsessed with Zuma; I am beginning to think that she needs treatment.

Lessie
13 May 2009 10:51

The problem is you have underestimated all blacks...... this 1 and only has the same mentality as Zille 

BigMama
13 May 2009 10:52

Reply from: maud 5/13/2009 4:34:38 PM

@ one and only -but the problem with us the blacks is that we do not want to accept the truth if it comes from a white person. dont bring the race in this its about individual. and no one denied the truth , we just said she must let it goooooo- as TJ jakes will say.

we all new what ANCYL is capable of, so i was not surprise, although very dissappointed to Zille i had faith on her, i never thought she will stood so low.
but what can we say. its politics for you.

And all this AIDS thing happened two years back, why didn´t she pass a comment about it then. She must be focusing on building a better South Africa and just leave the past behind. If she was critising JZ regarding the New Cabinet l would understand, but not critising him on old news, its very low of her.

Cande
13 May 2009 10:59

It shouldn't really matter who started it. they have also made serious allegations and personal attacks. You dont fight fire with fire.

Green.arrow
13 May 2009 11:03

"confession: i'm sucker for TVSA blogger's replies"
i feel u there maddie...but I am a sucker for two bloggers' commnets not all commnents...

i dont get why the topic was reduced to "a matter of crush or shagging" at all.....maybe sum of us are too serious......but that humour is sometimes used without thought is a seriosu problem for me...

btw: thanx Lela for transalating for me...

Best-Achiever
13 May 2009 11:10

ons sal nooit hoor die einde van hierdie, ons is eg moeg nou, is nie ons?

TerryN
13 May 2009 11:12

She is so obsessed with Zuma; I am beginning to think that she needs treatment. 

Lessie, she definately not herself. 
Um worried bcos this is just the beginning of the "new govt", i get the feeling that she's will be xchanging insults with the YL for the next 5 years. This woman critises Zuma's each and every move and recently personal attack.  Apparently (according to newspaper) she's now moved from being an OPPOSITION and become ANC public ENEMY No 1..... LOL!!!

maddie
13 May 2009 11:39

personally i don't see anything wrong with one and only's comments , the problem with some of us here is that we don't to hear the truth.

keep em coming one and only - am your biggest fan and saying what you say does not make you less black

JZ has already stated that being Gay/Lesbian is unAfrican, -we'll just have to wait and c what will the YL and the GAY/LESBIAN activists will say to each other when that issue arises again

One and Only
13 May 2009 11:43

For how long are we blacks gonna play the race card in each and every issue? I truly believe that with implementation of policies such as BEE, AA, EE etc blacks should be on the same platform/level as other races.

We should be at the stage where the best man gets the job irrespective of your gender, race and so on. Blacks have underestimated themselves by wanting to be everywhere where the white man is, think of rugby and cricket but we don't see whites complaining about not being in Bafana.

The way we're reasoning and doing things I will make serious deductions that the white man will always be superior over the blacks.

This is an article I stumbled across some time ago and it put everything into perspective for me:
http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2008/2008_40-49/2008_40-49/2008-40/pdf/54-58_3935.pdf

BigMama
13 May 2009 11:45

@maddie......there is definitely nothing wrong with yena yedwa´s comments, everyone is expressing there opinions towards the issue and we are allowed to agree to disagree.
But l think you should leave the Gay/Lesbian issue for another day......at this moment l think we ought to concentrate on JZ and Madam Zille.

awelani
13 May 2009 11:55

One and Only.....ur state of mind worries me..

Kakapana
13 May 2009 12:09

lol at awelani

sponono
13 May 2009 12:26

fake racist girl ....so she's NOT really a RAcist?????   she's just faking it...
trust the ANCYL to come up with some immature childsih response to a serious issue....surely there's boys  (mostly) have someone more intelligent to handle such media relations or to prepare their statements, I mean this sounds like a bunch of teenagers bickering somewhere at the conner shop about some silly issue...what happend to proffesionalism and decency and diplomacy coupled with straighforward honesty.when responding to such ....
1. Zille IS right whether you like it or Not...ZUMA DID put his wives lives at stake...BUT SHOULD SHE HAVE SAID IT ..I DONT THINK SO   and is it necessary for her to keep bringing these issues up when she should be focusing on working WITH the ogvernemnt or strengthening her party....I DONT THINK SO...

2. the way the ANCYL responds to her utterances is just plain stupid and childish..either because they dont have anything smart and constructive to say..e.g they could try to highlght their stand on HIV issues and safe sex  and distance themselves from that kind of behaviour while also encouraging forgiveness (of zumas past mistakes)and focus on the presidents goals and the future..so calling Zille names is just...EEEERRRRHGHH  olamthuthu 

Cande is right you dont fight fire with fire  in this case  they are fighting dead coal with mud to me they are the ones that look stupid(and muddy)

Cande
13 May 2009 12:29

FK
13 May 2009 12:33

@Sponono: fake racist girl ....so she's NOT really a RAcist????? she's just faking it...

Just to help you out on that one - fake meaning her face - applies to BOTOXed face - They meant - a racist girl with a fake face 

zolx
13 May 2009 12:41

istrongo ihabiya awanityisa yona umsholozi......ukuthi nje uninxibise eyentsimbi idyasi.  - hahahaha classic Sobza, still reading tho LOL

sponono
13 May 2009 12:43

Cande...proves my point about the ANCYL..and their utterances  I mean whats their obsesion with a woman's face and makeup   instead of focusing on the real political issues..I BET half of them dont even know WTF is Botox..except from the media...geeeshhh!!!!

JadaPinkett
13 May 2009 12:48

Shame this Helen Zille...I don't know what she want from ZUMA but I can see that she's against Black People ...i mean the woman the really hate us ....she can't even hide it....................Why vele en besekuba khona these stupid Black People voted for her what were they thinking ......or they want us to go back where we come.......................I wud love to say this" Once Helen Zille become a President of the Country ...I promise you that it will be tym where Apartheid begins"
Nxaaaaa.....*bleep!* Helen Zille!!! *bleep!* her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mathaz
13 May 2009 12:56

JP tone down, i am certain that when we all voted, we made an informed choice on which party we want to vote for, our decision was not based on ignorance or stupidity. 

maud
13 May 2009 12:56

@JP- dont boil babes, people might not know the difference between you and Zille.

JadaPinkett
13 May 2009 13:02

Whatever guyz but I jst hate her as much as she hate the Black people......It's a shame that some people are backing for while she's a devil....Nxxxxxxxxxxxa

I'm sorry guyz but i'm really angry at this women........What's dat Black People done to Helen to deserve this hate which goes with an Anger from her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TerryN
13 May 2009 13:13

Nxaaaaa.....*bleep!* Helen Zille!!! *bleep!* her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sheeeew! JadaP i can see u raving mad gal. 
I feel you gal...With godZille what you see is what you get - she hates BLACK people, wholeheartedly. She cant even fake it!

JadaPinkett
13 May 2009 13:20

Tazzy.....uyabona if ngifika bembulala i'm telling you nami ngingasifaka isandla dat woman really makes me sick

teev
13 May 2009 13:25

Oh nkosi yam JadaP---eezy angel uyeva? u Zille uyazigulela yena and esahamba kwi psychologist and oll these specialist akazoncedakala, lamama ufanelwe yinkuntsela yexhwele lase Nkandla okanye emaMpondweni lisuse lankenkqe ephaya kuye, nentiyo lingaka. Soze alibone izulu period...atsho ngobubi nje.

Cande
13 May 2009 13:26

ohk JP, you need to calm down girl..it was not stupid black people that voted DA...I dont see HZ attacking black people but i see her attacking JZ

TerryN
13 May 2009 13:28

LMAO @ JP.
Where's JuJu when you need him: 
Somebody asked if now would be the time to kill for Zuma...Anything to shut Zille up....:-)

sponono
13 May 2009 13:28

Nxaaaaa.....*bleep!* Helen Zille!!! *bleep!* her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                       yohh!!!!.at this rate  .you could be Helen JadaPinkett Zille...LOL

anyways i understand your frustration..however IMO  i dont believe she acutally HATES black people, she might not be THAT concerned about them that much..but she certainly doesnt carry the kind of hatred you saw from PWBotha...  I just think she misses the direction i.e how to handle her politics how to market her party  and her strategy sometimes (which is now MOSt of the times)  misleads her..i.e by continuously attacking Zuma she might allianate the very same black peole she's tryin to catch...and this defeats her own party's principles of a none racial society..so I think it has a lot to do with her strategy and the way she handles her politics....and it backfires.....she just needs a new PR specialist and a spokesperson  PRONTO  before she losses some black DA members

TerryN
13 May 2009 13:34

she just needs a new PR specialist and a spokesperson PRONTO 

What PR?
Mrs Zille believes in fighting her own battles. 

KeleFabulous
13 May 2009 13:41

bathong kanti when do all these debates stop? for weeks on this website it's been nohting but di politiki. i'm crawling back into the hole i came out of now

TerryN
13 May 2009 13:46

i'm crawling back into the hole i came out of now

LOL
which one Kele?

BigMama
13 May 2009 13:56

@JP..........Don´t let Helen get to you, she did not succeed in stopping Zuma because God wanted him (JZ) in that office, she can talk all she wants but if Zuma´s presidency was meant to last full term nothing will come on the way. At this moment l can only use Centrepiece´s quote, go and read it if you never did.
ANC´s campaign is working together we can do more but DA´s campaign is Stop Zuma that should answer a lot of questions, Helen seriously needs Mjj´s prayers.

JadaPinkett
13 May 2009 13:58

she just needs a new PR specialist and a spokesperson PRONTO before she losses some black DA members.........................sori dat's not goin to help dat woman funa inqindi nje kwaphela lomagogo!!!!

Phikza
13 May 2009 14:00

ons sal nooit hoor die einde van hierdie, ons is eg moeg nou, is nie ons?

LOL, BA...ons is..

maud
13 May 2009 14:01

uzozwela u Zille because manje - the Mk ...........what ever is thretening to visit her is she doe not aplogies to the President, ubethi wenzani nje lomamdakane. visit and do what we will never know

JadaPinkett
13 May 2009 14:03

Helen seriously needs Mjj´s prayers... as bendishilo lomfazi udinga iqupha or impama evuthayo. sori BigMama

realist
13 May 2009 14:05

What HZ said about JZ was a factual fact as presented by the court. Even the judge did say JZ put his wives at risk for having unprotected sex. HZ is behaving the same way as the ANCYL, which is being childish.

The question was asked why her cabinet is male dominated and instead of answering the question she attacked JZ for no apparent reason. On this issue HZ should take what is coming to her.

Although I am no fan of JZ, I got to say he is handling the situation in a respectable way.
As for HZ I am beginning to get gatvol with her attack on JZ. The sooner she starts showing the ANC on how to run an administration in the Western Cape and leave JZ alone the better. 

maud
13 May 2009 14:05

if she dont refraime from the statement she said, lesilungu sibuye sigoduke sibuyele kabo zille

One and Only
13 May 2009 14:14

JP you have just spoken just like any other diehard ANC supporter, high on emotions and low on logic. Hellen Zille has always requested people to come forward and prove allegations that she's racist and up to now and no one has proven that.

I for one have voted for DA for several reasons, one of them being that we need to have a strong opposition and the other being that I look at Hellen Zille beyond racial boundaries.

People have been promised toilets, water and electricity since '94 and it's suprising that some people are still sharing water with animals and using buckets as toilets. You don't call that racism because it is done by a black person to another black person.

Election results showed that DA & COPE is emerging in suburban areas as people are educated and getting informed there compared to rural areas where ruling party got overwhelming votes because people are illiterate.

If Whites should win elections in future, would it be fair if they implement something like WEE etc because black people were given a first preference during their government? If you are where you are today because of the quotas don't expect me to feel the same. Blacks are their worst enemies and the only persons who hate them is themselves

Any opinions expressed are those of the author and do not necessarily constitute the views of the Company.

Best-Achiever
13 May 2009 14:25

It's hard to discuss politics in SA especially with the quality of youth that we have, which most do not think beyond adolescence and relate to every issue as a matter of crush or shagging

high on emotions and low on logic

kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa

awelani
13 May 2009 14:26

and I repeat.. One and only,,,ur state of mind worries me,, futhi manje with eack reply u post,,it just makes me worry even more....

awelani
13 May 2009 14:30

Election results showed that DA & COPE is emerging in suburban areas as people are educated and getting informed there compared to rural areas where ruling party got overwhelming votes because people are illiterate.>>ndi mashika fhedzi haya..

Tsoka
13 May 2009 14:35

Politics aside bomme le bontate.... how is the new president going to deal with the HIV issue. will he advocate for the use of condoms, sticking to one partner or just be reckless like he was.. This is the reason why many people are dying of AIDS - ignorance and ANCYL must know better being the leaders of the youths. The new president le ene must have known better. I think Zille - botoxed face or whatever has a point here...after admitting to sleeping with an HIV positive lady without protection, what happened to the wives..did he go for the tests or he is now using protection with them..we know there are elders but he needs a reality check...

Best-Achiever
13 May 2009 14:40

Tsoka... what is the responsibility of the health minister in you own thinking?

just curious

dali
13 May 2009 14:41

i must admit im a sucker fo one en only's replies i follow him/her wherever she/he goes.......... although i think sumtimes he's/she's..........

felfel
13 May 2009 14:43

Awu , come on people now, is there really nothing better, funnier, more entertaining, etc, to talk about but this???????? I'm really bored with this. if these people wanna rubbish each other in the media then let them its thier own prerogative, lets get on with our lives people mense tu, kea kopa hle, ke kgathetse ke politiks zama fong kong.

Now who's gonna come up with a more upbeat article????? yeah,U rite there!!!

awelani
13 May 2009 14:43

@Tsoka,, this shower/HIV thing happened over 2yrs ago..i think he knows that what he did was stupid and careless,, cant we tok about what he's doing now, instead of what he did BACK THEN?? cant Zille and her fellow stokvel members just let it go??? really now.

BigMama
13 May 2009 14:44

The Umkhonto we Sizwe Military Veterans Association has threatened to render the Western Cape ungovernable if its Premier Helen Zille continues “insulting” newly elected President Jacob Zuma.
“Should Helen Zille not refrain from this anti-African and racist behaviour, we are not going to hesitate, but craft and launch a political programme aimed at rendering the Western Cape ungovernable,” MKMVA chairman Kebby Maphatsoe said in Johannesburg on Wednesday.
Maphatsoe said this was not intended to send the wrong message to the world, but that veterans could not sit back while Zille cast disdain on Zuma’s cultural preferences.
He was reacting to Zille’s comment that Zuma put his wives at risk of Aids as he had unprotected sex with an HIV positive woman.
The MKMVAs deputy secretary Ramatuku Maphutha said the association would mobilise soldiers in the Western Cape to go to Zille’s office sometime next week if she did not retract her statement.
“They are always ready [the soldiers]. It’s either she [Zille] vacates the office, or co-operates. We are prepared to sleep there if need be until we get an impressive response,” said Ramatuku.
The veterans congratulated all elected public representatives in the provincial legislatures and parliament, particularly Defence and Military Veterans Minister Lindiwe Sisulu and her deputy Thabang Makwetla.

awelani
13 May 2009 14:45

what is the responsibility of the health minister in you own thinking? Good Question BA..


lol@felfel ''fong kong politics"

Tsoka
13 May 2009 14:48

@Best achiever...i think it will just be good to know what the president thinks about the issue..i know it was uncalled for Zille to utter such statements...

awelani
13 May 2009 14:48

soldiers in the Western Cape to go to Zille’s office sometime next week if she did not retract her statement>>Haibo,, is this really necessary?? this is exactly what this woman wants,, she wants to be some kind of hero, just dont hero of what thou.

MsDee
13 May 2009 14:49

I must say I concur with bloggers who expressed their disappointment in HZ, I really expected better from her…as for Malema, Floyd & their team lets say to those less given less is expected.

I expected much from you One & Only -when it comes to issues of AA/BEE I find your opinions very naïve, I’m disappointed. Please tell me you aren’t saying those kids being taught under a tree in rural SA in 2009 stand a fair chance against your so called Model C, please tell me that you not expecting a kid sleeping hungry in a shack going to school with no proper sanitation to be on the same level academically and socially with their fellow white students. Most importantly please tell me you aint saying its cause of their own doing...

And then show me any country in the world that in 15years was able to undo the injustices of close to 50 years.

Yes in some instances we, blacks, are our worst enemies; we can be so power hungry to extent of corruption or even sell our fellow brothers.

But put all in context…to me you sound just as emotional, if not more bitter as diehard ANC supporters. You talking as a truly blessth middle class who himself has benefited from BEE but now wants to refuse fellow blacks the same privilege…tellme who’s being a typical power hungry black now? Wanting to oppressing other blacks economically.

Please your next holiday take a short left see your country…then come, so we debate the issue further.

cleve
13 May 2009 14:52

DA & COPE

One and Only, I disagree with you. DA got majority votes from suburbs because white people are still the majority  that live there. Don't lie...............


Blacks are their worst enemies and the only persons who hate them is themselves 
I am glad you can see that in yourself.

for one have voted for DA for several reasons, one of them being that we need to have a strong opposition and the other being that I look at Hellen Zille beyond racial boundaries. 

Good for you and I would've voted for DA but because of Hellen Zille  not looking beyond Jacob Zuma, and start fighting for what is good for the country and that is clearly not STOPPING Jacob Zuma.

People have been promised toilets, water and electricity since '94 and it's suprising that some people are still sharing water with animals and using buckets as toilets

People need to start helping themselves and stop looking only for the ANC to look after them. I lived in a house form the day I was born. With running water and electricity. Who did that for me???? My parents and not the ANC!!!!  I must say I'm quite old LOL. Maybe you should also start helping and being positive about your own race. Do something about the ignorance of your race intsead of sitting there on your high horse pointing fingers as educated as you are.  By the way education can be shared. They cant' help each and everyone of us, but they have tried where they could. I haven't seen anything positive in your respones. ANC have done a lot and are still going to TRY fix some of the problems in this country.

If you are where you are today because of the quotas don't expect me to feel the same. 
I am not where I am because of the quotas and those who are don't expect you to feel the same. Without these quotas really talented people would have been looked over because of the colour of their skin. We need financial freedom and Mugabe is fighting just for that. NO one in Africa is as brave as that man and you can quote me on that.

Best-Achiever
13 May 2009 14:54

i think it will just be good to know what the president thinks about the issue..i know it was uncalled for Zille to utter such statements

@Tsoka .... JZ apologized for his reckless behaviour after his court case admitting that what he did and said was reckless .... so in your own reasoning, what do you think he will say regarding this or what he thinks about it?

realist
13 May 2009 14:55

will he advocate for the use of condoms, sticking to one partner or just be reckless like he was..
Any takers on this one? Good observation there Tsoka.

did he go for the tests or he is now using protection with them..
He went for the test and it confirmed that he was HIV negative. He was interviewed on 702 and again he asked to be forgiven for lack of his foresight.

awelani
13 May 2009 14:58

thank you MsDee and Cleve...

Cande
13 May 2009 15:01

CALM DOWN COMRADES

Lessie
13 May 2009 15:03

Can anyone trying reason with One and Only? Just asking...... 

JadaPinkett
13 May 2009 15:04

@Cleve...............Ha ha I must say thnx dude .u jst made my day............en m really sori One&Only dat this tym i don't go with wat u think is right.

Lessie
13 May 2009 15:05

Can anyone reason with One and Only? Just asking......

Best-Achiever
13 May 2009 15:08

what happened to the wives..
MaKhumalo was with JZ in his inauguration, that's what happened

did he go for the tests  ..... Yes, and it was negative

or he is now using protection with them...   you can only get that answer from him or them

we know there are elders but he needs a reality check ... how many time does he need to apologize to make you feel  SUPER

One and Only
13 May 2009 15:13

The Umkhonto we Sizwe Military Veterans Association: aren't these the same people who were complaining that the ANC does not acknowledge and recognise the role they had played during the struggle? The only reason they are gonna sleep there is because they are unemployed and have nothing to do with their time.

"Zuma put his wives at risk of Aids as he had unprotected sex with an HIV positive woman." Can anyone highlight to me which part in this statement is anti-African, racist behaviour and which is not factual. Have you ever heard HZ said anything negative/ against black race in particular? If yes please provide such.

"Zille has appointed an all male Cabinet of useless people, majority of whom are her boyfriends and concubines so that she can continue to sleep around with them, yet she claims to have the moral authority to question our president (sic)." Now this statement is worse than Days, Bold and Generations all combined together, I see double standards as currently in our parliament we have wives and husbands, boyfriends and girlfriends. The above statement still has to be proven in the court of law.

Between the above 2 statements, be kind enough to tell me which one is racist. If HZ was dropped on a head as a child at what stage did the same occur to the YL members? I won't be surprised if they apologise within a month as usual.

Any opinions expressed are those of the author and do not necessarily constitute the views of the Company.

maddie
13 May 2009 15:15

uyabona if ngifika bembulala i'm telling you nami ngingasifaka isandla dat woman really makes me sick @JP

The Umkhonto we Sizwe Military Veterans Association has threatened to render the Western Cape ungovernable if its Premier Helen Zille continues “insulting” newly elected President Jacob Zuma.  @BigMama

zimbabwe here we come

this shower/HIV thing happened over 2yrs ago..i think he knows that what he did was stupid and careless,, cant we tok about what he's doing now, instead of what he did BACK THEN?? @ awelani

unfortunately bloggers this is something that our beloved President will be remembered for in as much as Bush will be remembered for his war in Iraq, Clinton - Monica Lewinsky sex scandal, Mbeki for his AIDS denialism, Mugabe well for Zimbabwe.




goldii
13 May 2009 15:20

Please tell me you aren’t saying those kids being taught under a tree in rural SA in 2009 stand a fair chance against your so called Model C.

I wonder why these kids are being taught under a tree in 2009, after 15 years of a certain party's rule and improved services.

please tell me that you not expecting a kid sleeping hungry in a shack going to school with no proper sanitation to ..

Here I thought it was those evil whites who did this to black people. To think after 15 years of jobs for all, housing for all there are still black people going through all of this, I thought the country had improved way beyond all of this.

This is not a personal attack on you Ms Dee. I just can't help giggling at the irony of this ( tounge in cheek comment)

JadaPinkett
13 May 2009 15:20


"Zille has appointed an all male Cabinet of useless people, majority of whom are her boyfriends and concubines so that she can continue to sleep around with them, yet she claims to have the moral authority to question our president (sic)." Now this statement is worse than Days, Bold and Generations all combined together, I see double standards as currently in our parliament we have wives and husbands, boyfriends and girlfriends. The above statement still has to be proven in the court of law.

Between the above 2 statements, be kind enough to tell me which one is racist. If HZ was dropped on a head as a child at what stage did the same occur to the YL members? I won't be surprised if they apologise within a month as usual.

Any opinions expressed are those of the author and do not necessarily constitute the views of the Company.

mnxmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Suka!!!!

realist
13 May 2009 15:20

Can anyone reason with One and Only? Just asking......
Yes, Only if you dispute what he says with facts or opinion and not attack him/er

Cande
13 May 2009 15:21

lol@ O&only's signature..hahahhah I like what you say about double standards though.

Cande
13 May 2009 15:23

true that goldiii

awelani
13 May 2009 15:25

@maddie,, the JZ fiasco happened before he became the Presidnt and ur comparing him to those who had their 'scandals' while they were/are in power.....and as for SA becoming Zim...in ur dreams!!

Now this statement is worse than Days, Bold and Generations all combined together, I see double standards as currently in our parliament we have wives and husbands, boyfriends and girlfriends. The above statement still has to be proven in the court of law. Is the court gonna proove if she really is sleeping with her male cabinet??

Cande
13 May 2009 15:28

Nah Awe you missing the point, the point is ANCYL hasnt proven in the court of law that HZ is sleeping with those concubines of hers unlike JZ's sleeping with an HIV+ woman that has been proven/said in a court of law..

cleve
13 May 2009 15:34

@ Cheesa, sleeping with someone who is HIV positive does not GUARANTEE that you will also be HIV positive. The chances are really HIGH. We will never know the truth as far as that is concerned but it's non of our business what his status is, but what he can change to make our country a better place.

awelani
13 May 2009 15:34

thanx Cande,, mara I still dont understand Y the court has to proove if she is indeed sleeping with those people. 

MsDee
13 May 2009 15:35

@ One & Only unfortunately to me HZ's statement factual or not that’s not a point… it was an unnecessary personal attack especially after JZ's rebirth/renewal inauguration speech makes her sound desperate and compromised her creditability as a good leader she worked so hard for...and frankly it doesn’t make her better than ANCYL...she stood to their level. Now we can’t tell who is the fool and who’s not.
SA just lacks good leaders, but you know what her timing sucks too, I’m not JZ fan and never will I be, guess what? he’s coming across as the noble one, he’s quite, he has said that he is all about forgiving and moving on. Hell he even had only good things to say about Thabo Mbeki.

As for MK…they’re just opportunist….and again HZ gave it to them on a silver platter.

We seriously need leaders in SA, Africa as a whole… And lets say JZ is HIV positive I’m sure we have nothing to worry about he’ll surely be on TAC side…advocating for condom use, ARV etc…. and if he’s not it says a lot about what people will do to be found Not Guilty…some plead insanity some choose to talk crap ie.....take a shower after sex.

@Cleve I share most of your sentiments but as I see it...in SA it’s really too soon for any blacks to think they did anything entirely on their own...its either it was coz of the little leniency your parents got during apartheid…then Yes totally agree…WORKED hard and gave you what you have today…unfortunately most blacks were not that fortunate. Or post 94 whether directly or indirectly, we, all black people are where we are coz of our skin colour the only difference is from that rope thrown to us some work damn hard…that bursary/loan you got at varsity, that tender you got or your parents, that job application that put you at the forefront, that business deal…skills transfer programme etc…

realist
13 May 2009 15:35

Hayi khona realist he slept with an HIV positive woman without a condom and the results came out NEGATIVE no no no
Not me who said that, JZ said it that is.

Cande
13 May 2009 15:38

No 1 & Only is saying @ least HZ commented on something that has been said in court unlike ANCYL that is making statements that they dont have proof of

Firstdvd
13 May 2009 15:38

MsDee
13 May 2009 15:41

@goldii one staement 
show me any country in the world that in 15years was able to undo the injustices of close to 50 years
I'm not for ANC but we must be fair and give credit where credit is due... That's the reason I say Buti Manamela is the only sensible youth leader we have, yes he's not perfect but definetely way better than Malema, Floyd & Cornelius Jansen van Rensburg

awelani
13 May 2009 15:42

K, Cande...kodwa ngi sathi, i worry about the way some people think..lol

BigMama
13 May 2009 15:43

l don´t mean to offend anyone but, l think we are sometimes too ungrateful. South Africa has achieved a lot in 15years according to how l see it.

l will just cross the border to Zimbabwe.............In that country you don´t sit and expect the government to provide you with a house......you use what God gave you, your brains and hardwork.

You don´t decide to have sex at 15years and fall pregnant and expect child support grant from government or go to school while pregnant your family will support you.

Your granny is 95years ........she can´t get old age support grant, from the government, her family will look after her.

Each and every child has to pay school fees, you cannot go to school for a month if your school fees is not fully paid. No free education.

There is no free medication, you pay even for family planning injections/ tablets.

We spend all morning sleeping and expect the government to spoon feed us, give us a house, food, work, its about time we meet the government half way. We must stop complaining and stand up on our own feet and do things by ourselves. We ought to stop being layze and use our brains to fight poverty, stop committing crime and blame it on poverty.

The government has too many committements, we can not expect to all get housing at the same time, lets take it step by step and be patient. Stop destroying schools to show our anger because if we destroy its another setback.

realist
13 May 2009 15:45

As for MK…they’re just opportunist….and again HZ gave it to them on a silver platter.
They are not opportunist but idiots. Why don't they do the same with ANCYL?

maddie
13 May 2009 15:48

he won the case but what he said will always remain, it's not going to go away, especially now that he is a president. i mean we've got teenagers now believing that if you take a bath after unprotected sex you wont get HIV

Those teenagers are stupid, don´t they learn about AIDS at schools?  @BigMama

He went for the test and it confirmed that he was HIV negative. He was interviewed on 702 and again he asked to be forgiven for lack of his foresight.
@cheesa

and u blame the kids for thinking that if u take a bath after unprotected sex you wont get HIV when Zuma himself did that and he's negative GOD HELP US

Best-Achiever
13 May 2009 15:50

goldii i understand you points... but tell me wena in your own thinking capacity, considering the number of people in SA, the state many SA were in when we got freedom, do you actual think hore within 15 years everyone will be sleeping upstairs with the kitchen downstairs?

BigMama
13 May 2009 15:52

@maddie.........We don´t know his true status.

cleve
13 May 2009 15:52

Thank You Big Mama!!!!!!!!! * clap* * clap*

ANC is not God and can't save us all. But you can do something about your situtation whether good or bad.

BigMama
13 May 2009 15:53


Reply from: Best-Achiever 5/13/2009 9:50:02 PM


goldii i understand you points... but tell me wena in your own thinking capacity, considering the number of people in SA, the state many SA were in when we got freedom, do you actual think hore within 15 years everyone will be sleeping upstairs with the kitchen downstairs?

Good question, please answer.

Best-Achiever
13 May 2009 15:54

blame the kids for thinking that if u take a bath after unprotected sex you wont get HIV 

what makes you think that the kids will think like that?  why will they choose to do like him not like all other people who have led the beautiful life?

aint you giving JZ too much credit .... with all this media criticism, those kids will be fools to think like that
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Cande
13 May 2009 15:57

obviously NOT BA, but basic needs like access to free, clean water should have been covered by now

cleve
13 May 2009 15:58

and u blame the kids for thinking that if u take a bath after unprotected sex you wont get HIV when Zuma himself did that and he's negative GOD HELP US

That is just plain stupidity. Everyone holds the destiny of their lives in their own hands. We must stop blaming other people for our own misfortunes. So if JZ jumps over a bridge they should do it because they can't think for themselves.

maddie
13 May 2009 15:59

@BigMama

@maddie.........We don´t know his true status.

but didn't he say on Radio that he's negative, u guys never cease to amaze me sometimes

maud
13 May 2009 16:00

that brings us back to my question Why fight the loosing battle? if you know that you wont win it. i dont say who is wrong or who is right ,why fight the loosing battle he...

how many people organization tried to take him to court a nd they all  lost, even if you know that you are right just shut up, go on with your life.

goldii
13 May 2009 16:00

@BigMama
We spend all morning sleeping and expect the government to spoon feed us, give us a house, food, work, its about time we meet the government half way. We must stop complaining and stand up on our own feet and do things by ourselves. We ought to stop being layze and use our brains to fight poverty, stop committing crime and blame it on poverty. 

Totally agree with you 150000%. Then the message should have been " We have now achieved democracy ,it is now time to roll up our sleeves and work hard to achieve our goals, dreams and everything in between.

But what did the ruling party do. They created a sense of self entitlement which they have milked for the past 15 years.

@Ms Dee
show me any country in the world that in 15years was able to undo the injustices of close to 50 years.

None. The fomer USSR countries didn't go around promising unrealistic goals and promises to their voters, they are taking it one step at a time, faults and all.

Best-Achiever
13 May 2009 16:03

obviously NOT BA, but basic needs like access to free, clean water should have been covered by now

Cande you forget that there are municipalities and counsillors who are supposed to be using money given to them for those basic needs and Not every corner in SA is governed by the ANC .... nawe as a working community member you wont be found dead for lending a helping hand to the needy ....

maddie
13 May 2009 16:05

That is just plain stupidity. Everyone holds the destiny of their lives in their own hands. We must stop blaming other people for our own misfortunes. So if JZ jumps over a bridge they should do it because they can't think for themselves.

and you tell me if we should take this man seriously

hai u contradict urselves so much, am lost now

Best-Achiever
13 May 2009 16:07

But what did the ruling party do. They created a sense of self entitlement which they have milked for the past 15 years. 

They created opportunities goldii and it is up to an individual to take on those opportunities, ANC will not go to each and every house, wake people up and drive them to school, because even if they can do so, some people can still jump the school fence during the first break

Best-Achiever
13 May 2009 16:09

hai u contradict urselves so much, am lost now

this explains this maddie

and you tell me if we should take this man seriously

awelani
13 May 2009 16:10

Maddie,, Yes he sed he's HIV- on radio, but ofcos nobody knows for real, only he and his wives(maybe) know.

cleve
13 May 2009 16:12

@ Maddie please tell me where I have contradicted myself. I will explain to you.

maddie
13 May 2009 16:12

They created opportunities goldii and it is up to an individual to take on those opportunities, ANC will not go to each and every house, wake people up and drive them to school, because even if they can do so, some people can still jump the school fence during the first break

@BA

giving young mothers amagrants an opportunity, unfortunately people don't c it that way, and that's where they should come in an educate instead of promising and promising just so they can get votes 

Cande
13 May 2009 16:14

and are they using it? YES FOR EMPOWERING THEMSELVES AND PUSHING CORRUPTION.. sorry i dont see how i should be getting people water if there i people who get paid to do that. Who will be doing my job in the mean time? or you mean giving people my water? in this recession and since i pay tax i cant.

Best-Achiever
13 May 2009 16:16

@maddie .... it is true that we can look at the same thing but see totaly different things ... wena you chose to see grants as opportunities, nna i choose to see bursaries and internships as opportunities .... so you see no matter what the ANC does,  SA will never see the same thing

Green.arrow
13 May 2009 16:16

"as for Malema, Floyd & their team lets say to those less given less is expected..."..ka go utloa msdee....kodwa the unfortunate thing is that they have a mass of followers who arew influenced by the things they say...however "little".....

as for Floyd, the wits wits garduate as he is...proves to me that prehaps education is n ot the only thing that u need to be a rational leader....bcos when i was first yr in 2004, we had a finacial aid disastor thanx to him and co.'s lack of foresight when they forced late applicants on the university....and the disastrous strike that follwed ...and yet at the end the very poor fin aid students they were "fighting "for ended up with 50% of fees to pay for themselves......
His repsonses on behalve of ancyl always leave me boreed as are sum here....

hm..One and Only...
on this blog....i dont think you'll win...but im hoping u believe in urself eneough 
Another thing that worries me just as 702 depressed me to khaya fm is that...while the opinions are very profound and intelligent, they end right there, on the show..on the blog etc...and i always hope that you go out there and let the right people listen bcos unless there is a governement spy on this blog..ur valid points mfethu are falling on deaf ears.....

goldii
13 May 2009 16:18

@ BA
do you actual think hore within 15 years everyone will be sleeping upstairs with the kitchen downstairs? 

Can I steal this qoute. Kwa kwa kwa. Classic

Hope I was able to answer your question with my responce above @BigMama

cleve
13 May 2009 16:20

and you tell me if we should take this man seriously

hai u contradict urselves so much, am lost now

@ Maddie, you took Thabo Mbeki seriously but did you agree with his views that HIV is not caused by Aids.

You took Bill Clinton serioulsy when he slept with Monica in a monogomous marraige and since he did that does that mean all men in America must start sleeeping outside their marraiges??????

cleve
13 May 2009 16:20

and you tell me if we should take this man seriously

hai u contradict urselves so much, am lost now

@ Maddie, you took Thabo Mbeki seriously but did you agree with his views that HIV is not caused by Aids.

You took Bill Clinton serioulsy when he slept with Monica in a monogomous marraige and since he did that does that mean all men in America must start sleeeping outside their marraiges??????

Best-Achiever
13 May 2009 16:21

and are they using it? YES FOR EMPOWERING THEMSELVES AND PUSHING CORRUPTION.. sorry i dont see how i should be getting people water if there i people who get paid to do that. Who will be doing my job in the mean time? or you mean giving people my water? in this recession and since i pay tax i cant.

and why not blame those people instead of blaming the ANC? .... you can always pay other people to do things you cant do as long as you are willing to do so, recession af nee.    

One and Only
13 May 2009 16:22

Surely some of you have never lived in Zim, I used to visit the country regularly while it was still Rhodesia and it was the blue eyed girl of other African countries and used to provide and take good care of its people.

Now it can no longer provide for its people because of the excessive government expenditure, in SA there's no free education either it's only on paper. The pregnancy rate in Zim is as high as here in SA if not more.

You cannot expect people to take care of themselves if there aren't enough jobs and yes unemployment is one of the catalyst to high levels of crime. If there are enough job opportunities less people will depend on government and only the few will need RDP houses.

It has been proven that kids tend to follow what their parents/adults do, calling them stupid for believing that they can cure AIDS by taking shower doesn't make sense, soon you'll expect kids as young as 1 to go and look for work as they can think and make decision on their own.

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One and Only
13 May 2009 16:22

Surely some of you have never lived in Zim, I used to visit the country regularly while it was still Rhodesia and it was the blue eyed girl of other African countries and used to provide and take good care of its people.

Now it can no longer provide for its people because of the excessive government expenditure, in SA there's no free education either it's only on paper. The pregnancy rate in Zim is as high as here in SA if not more.

You cannot expect people to take care of themselves if there aren't enough jobs and yes unemployment is one of the catalyst to high levels of crime. If there are enough job opportunities less people will depend on government and only the few will need RDP houses.

It has been proven that kids tend to follow what their parents/adults do, calling them stupid for believing that they can cure AIDS by taking shower doesn't make sense, soon you'll expect kids as young as 1 to go and look for work as they can think and make decision on their own.

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Best-Achiever
13 May 2009 16:25

We have now achieved democracy ,it is now time to roll up our sleeves and work hard to achieve our goals, dreams and everything in between.

hhayi ke goldii ... do you want to tell me that you always wait for your boss, to phone and tell you to wake up, come to work ... or because you know you have the job you wake up in the morning and go to work. .... who in their right mind will wait for someone to tell them to work hard so they can better themselves? 

Cande
13 May 2009 16:27

BA this people are serving the govmn akere? the ANC govment..imagine if u get an incompetent person who works for a certain company who do you blame? the company or the person who is assisting you? imagine saying MTN is incompetent, its not MTN that is incompetent but certain individuals in the company as a result since the company is not doing anything about it you end up blaming it, its only fair

MsDee
13 May 2009 16:30

@Goldii the reason I did not vote ANC is that personally I didnt think the promises made in 94 or 99 where unrealistic...the in fighting...back stapping n corruption caused major delays but realisticlly talking they still would have not reached everyone in mere 15yrs. At the same time you cant run a campaign " Houses for Some" it has to be ''houses for all''  its a marketing campaign at the end of day and if you reach 70% by end of your term then that will definetely be a job welldone. hell even Revlon promises perfect hair to all but everytime I use it my hair breaks.

@Cleve & Big Mama... I'm not saying we must create a dependency syndrome state but lets be realistic for most blacks, some kindda help is still needed for them to start doing things 4 themselves, be education, finances, skills transfers etc...those of us previleged must give back to our communities, in that way we'll accelerate growth and maybe minimise nigaritis.

I cant get why most  whites are not complying with  BEE/AA coz the sooner we do it the sooner we can do away with it and their great gran kids will have equal opportunities.

maud
13 May 2009 16:33

i have to love you and leave you guys?

@One and Only-The pregnancy rate in Zim or SA , whos fault is it? 
if kids as young as 1 are capable of working then be it, yes they will be stupid because when they parents adult grow Aids was not there well maybe some were, but now they are lucky because there are lots of pamplets and a child as young as three will tell you about the condom although  he might not know what is it used for.


now a child who does not want to go to school , cant  the parents ,there are procedures to follow and you will have a free education.

bye everyone i will talk to you tomorrow

and thank you being so decent  , i had to admit you bloggers acted very civilised and matured re this matter

goldii
13 May 2009 16:39

@BA
hhayi ke goldii ... do you want to tell me that you always wait for your boss, to phone and tell you to wake up, come to work ... or because you know you have the job you wake up in the morning and go to work. .... who in their right mind will wait for someone to tell them to work hard so they can better themselves? 

Then why did they promise to give people all those things for free if they knew that people could think for themselves and would get up every morning and work hard to better themselves?

cleve
13 May 2009 16:43

those of us previleged must give back to our communities, in that way we'll accelerate growth and maybe minimise nigaritis  

Ms DeeI agree completely. That's why I am doing my bit for the kids in my neighbourhood. That's why BA is doing something for the people in her neighbourhood. We can give them a helping hand and they must grab it. I would love to see the kids I am paying scholl Fees foe be successful and be able to give back just like I did with them.

It has been proven that kids tend to follow what their parents/adults do, calling them stupid for believing that they can cure AIDS by taking shower doesn't make sense, soon you'll expect kids as young as 1 to go and look for work as they can think and make decision on their own

TRUE, but your parents teach you to be leaders and not followers. there was a president who was caught having an orgy with prostitutes does that mean every kid ,must aspire one day to have an orgy with prostitutes. We must teach our kids to be intelligent enough to make decisions. Yes, they will make stupid decisions sometimes just like we did many times in our lives. Lets hope it's decisions that won't alter the result of your life.

MsDee
13 May 2009 16:44

@One & Only 
You cannot expect people to take care of themselves if there aren't enough jobs and yes unemployment is one of the catalyst to high levels of crime. If there are enough job opportunities less people will depend on government and only the few will need RDP houses.

My sentiments exactly hence why BEE/AA is needed..who's staying in those RDP houses, percentage wise ...who's mostly unemployed or commiting crime? I'm glad we talking the same language. 

It has been proven that kids tend to follow what their parents/adults do, calling them stupid for believing that they can cure AIDS by taking shower doesn't make sense, soon you'll expect kids as young as 1 to go and look for work as they can think and make decision on their own-The reason we need role mode, good leaders....hence we disappointed in Helen Zille...there is so much to be done in our country, we have no room for unnecesary remarks especially those that divide the nation...regardless of you says them...if you dont have anything nice to say then simply dont open your mouth.

cleve
13 May 2009 16:57

Hellen Zille is a good leader, she stands her ground no matter what.  She also has her downfalls, that's why we are talking about her today. But does that mean with this reckless statement we should hold her accountable for the rest of her life. Yes, we are "condemning" her for it but there is more to her than this stupid statement. We are going to get past it and we must get over it.

The reason we need role mode, good leaders....

@ Ms Dee we need good role models but really they are ALL human beings and we must look at them as human beings just like you and me. Absorb the stuff that makes your life better and ignore the bad stuff. Make our own decisions. Be the authors of our lives.

cleve
13 May 2009 16:58

I loved blogging today. I learnt a thing or two.

Brown Shuga
13 May 2009 18:18

Phew...interesting indeed. Thanks bloggers, I enjoyed reading this :-)

<<<<Another thing that worries me just as 702 depressed me to khaya fm is that>>> LOL was it because of this topic? I caught a bit of it on Redi's show but had to go write....eish!

Cande
13 May 2009 19:40

Thought i should share

A Letter from Helen Zille regarding comments by ANC
Today at 15:18
I have had a number of queries around the background of the stand-off between me and the ANC.

The issue started when various spokespersons of the ANC-tripartite alliance accused me of sexism. I wrote the following letter in reply. The Sowetan pulled out one sentence to pursue their established agenda. This got the whole controversy going.

I therefore enclose the full letter below, so that you can judge it for yourself, in context.

Helen Zille
Leader of the Democratic Alliance

Letter to the Editor of the Argus. From Helen Zille

Minister Noluthando Mayende-Sibiya, whose party, the ANC, has just dropped a woman from the Deputy President position, has a nerve to attack me over the gender composition of the DA and ID Western Cape Provincial Cabinet (Cape Argus 11 May 2009).

The ANC, in all its 90 years of existence, has never elected (or deployed)a woman as its leader. The DA has done so within the first ten years of its existence. In fact, until recently, both the DA's national leader and Parliamentary leader were women.

The ANC's alliance partners, the SACP and COSATU, are also led by men. And, more significantly, the ANC's leader, Jacob Zuma, is a self-confessed womanizer with deeply sexist views, who put all his wives at risk by having unprotected sex with an HIV-positive woman. Even after this the ANC women's league strongly endorsed his Presidential campaign. Their professions of support for women's rights ring hollow indeed against this background.

While some of the ANC's senior women achieved their positions on merit, others are well known "quota appointments". The ANC can therefore pretend to be serious about women's rights, while actually patronizing women who want to be recognized for their ability.

Jacob Zuma is able to make all his quota and politically expedient appointments because he has extended his Cabinet (including deputy
Ministers) to a ludicrous 62 members -- at taxpayers' expense.

In contrast, Provinces are confined by law to 10 MECs drawn from the list elected to the provincial Parliament.

Zuma's expanded cabinet will cost an extra R19 million in salaries alone, before adding the cost of all the staff and perks to which they are entitled. But the real power remains firmly in the hands of the 'big men'.
This is blatant hypocrisy. When women are appointed to meet a quota, it is an insult to every woman who has achieved her position through adding value, such as women in the DA.

By paying lip-service to the empowerment of women, the ANC is also promoting the mindset that only women can care about the issues affecting women, or do something about them. The same applies to the ANC's warped logic regarding race, which says that only black people can care about black people, that only whites can care about whites and so on. This is racist nationalist thinking which goes against the letter and spirit of our constitution. It is also something that every intelligent South African should reject.

In the DA we believe that human beings can care for each other regardless of race or gender. The real test of democratic equality is how well services are delivered to everyone, on an equatible basis, not the colour or gender of the people delivering them. 

Helen Zille
Premier of the Western Cape.

Lela
14 May 2009 02:51

hell even Revlon promises perfect hair to all but everytime I use it my hair breaks. tl tl tl, that's why I decided to stick to natural hair.

do you actual think hore within 15 years everyone will be sleeping upstairs with the kitchen downstairs? kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa, sho, to think that downstairs stays a woman with such noisy dogs and it really feels like we are in the same house,yerrrrrrrrr, kanti that is supposed to be my kitchen!!!!!!!!

Best-Achiever
14 May 2009 07:18

Then why did they promise to give people all those things for free if they knew that people could think for themselves and would get up every morning and work hard to better themselves? 

@goldii .... They give bursaries our brother's and sisters dont bother to apply, so who do we blame. They give grants for children welfare,  mothers of those chldren take that money and pop in to the nearest salon they dont even buy a simple single thing for a child,  then who do we blame?  Somethings will only take us to succeed.


MTN is incompetent, its not MTN that is incompetent but certain individuals in the company as a result since the company is not doing anything about it you end up blaming it, its only fair
@ Cande, that's why i said not every corner in SA is governed by the ANC, it might be themajory party but it is NOT the only part.
maybe we must learn to address isssues to people concerned, if they fail us address them to their superiors .... The company can never do anything about things they dont know of .... Wecan complain from the sunrise until the sunset but if we are not complaining to the right people then we will never get the results we anticipate.

akere even the voce prompt on MTN line tells you to take the name of the consultant, then go figure, they need you to tell them if you were not satisfied with the help you needed.

One and Only
14 May 2009 08:11

I presume it's safe now to draw conclusions and close the argument, we have seen HZ's & ANCYL's letter and any sane person can therefore compare the two and see who's been racist. The ANC has distanced itself and feel embarassed about the YL's statement and I bet some of the bloggers are still proud about the YL's statement.

All I wish for now is for the ANC to deliver on it's promises in the same rate as the stadiums and other infrastructures for the 2010 World Cup are being built, I need to see the urgency and the report of what has been done.

In order to track and monitor their performance I think they need to have the list with 1 to 15 promises made since 94 and as soon as one promise is fulfilled it should be crossed off the list to the last item.

Where is this thing of giving back to the community coming from? Giving back would mean that I have taken something from the community or they have help me in some way to be who I am today. How much more should I do over and above paying tax? 

It's always find people who have been living in squatter camps for the past 15 yrs, pasting posters of ANC on their ugly, falling apart shacks without electricity during elections saying the ruling party will help them while at the same time working for white owned companies. Call me whatever but I really don't feel nothing for this type.
Any opinions expressed are those of the author and do not necessarily constitute the views of the Company.

FK
14 May 2009 08:44

One & Only - You just don't seize to shock the hell out of me.  The argument is closed.  Conclusion drawn?  Not necessarity.  And we don't have to get to a conclusion.  

I believe that all the bloggers who responded to this article and silent bloggers are all SANE whether they agree with you or not.  They are still sane even after reading both letters and still believe that HZ's remarks were uncalled for.  And those who still believe that HZ was only stating facts, are also sane.  

Bloggers, can we move away from boxing people, labeling them.  Calling them all sorts of things from uneducated to insane if their reasoning is different from ours.

Moving along - Today is Thursday, ilanga lomthandazo.  What are the chances of having un uplifting, inspirational Article? I want to pray for our country.

Toxic
14 May 2009 08:47

*sigh*

myname
14 May 2009 08:52

*double that Toxic*

awelani
14 May 2009 09:01

**Sixple Sigh**

tha - bang
14 May 2009 09:15

i think the whole thing with HZ and Julius just goes to show we should not go off shooting our mouths without having all the facts.i think we will be learning this lesson over and over again.

Cande
14 May 2009 09:33

BA a province like EC, we have always known who governs it. For the past 15 years it has been an ANC majority province and on cutting edge most counsillors who were always not delivering are ANC councilors... I will give you an example of a Taung municipality led by ANC..there is this road that the municipal manager has authorised that its complete and payments has been made whereas nothing has happened on that gravel road. The public has complained but nothing was done until SABC was called in then the MM & his parners-in-crime where suspended

Best-Achiever
14 May 2009 09:47

Yes Cande im aware of that But real now in 15 years do we real expect that  over 47.9 million South Africans and more than 10 Million foreigners (since they have become the part of us), our government will have reached everyone, real now guy ... Government is dishing out money to each and every province every year but how that money is spend is dependent on that province.

 

Shezi0
14 May 2009 14:38

Zille must just be STRONG and F*&^ off

Brown Shuga
14 May 2009 16:32

LOL Shezi.... where to?

Guys stop sighing on this article...ignore it if you don't like the topic!

mthiwosundu
12 Dec 2009 20:11

i am concerned at how immature south africans are, you hear politicians screaming at each other then you take that and use it as ahate weapon. you are the only one who is puttting him/herself  in a stupid box of hatred, racism, and tribalism, how stupid to be worked up by zuma nad zile , how nioce would it be if there would be young ppl who will have guts to say to older politicians thou shall not speak like that in our country, thats better than feuding over zuma and zille

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