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Written by Segololo from the blog Oh Moments on 03 Nov 2008
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I attended a Marketing & Sales class over the weekend and somehow the De La Rey song got discussed. I had opinions of why I disliked the song including the mshini 'wam song. They both makes me uncomfortable; my personal experiences, the connotations linked to them and our current political climate.

The song lyrics
De La Rey
Op ‘n berg in die nag (On a mountain in the night)
Le ons in die donker and wag (we lie in the dark and wait)
In die modder en blood le ek koud (in the mud and the blood, I lie cold)


De La rey, De La Rey
Sal jy die boere kom lei? (will you come and lead the boers?)


Oor die Kakies wat lag (over the khakis who laugh)
‘n handjie van ons teen ‘n hele groot mag (a handful of us against a whole big force)
En die kranse le hier teen ons rug (and the crags lie on our backs)
Hulle dink dis verby (they believe it is over)
Maar die hart van ‘n boer le dieper and wyer, (but the heart of a boer lies deeper and wider)
Hulle gaan dit nog sien (they will still see)
Op ‘n perd kom hy aan (on a horse he is coming)


En die kakies se murg op (and the khakhis marrow runs)
Oor ‘n nasie wat weer op sal staan (over a nation that will rise again)

Mshin ’wam
Mshin ’wam, Mshin ’wam (my machine gun, my machine gun)
Awulethe Mshin ’wam (bring my machine gun)

My personal experiences
My father is a DSM type of priest and I spent my first 7 years in a Soweto church yard that regularly had archbishop (then bishop) Desmond Tutu coming, so we had some freedom fighters visiting my home. 

Tutu
Archbishop Desmond Tutu

The earliest memories I have of this time is going to pick Bishop Tutu up from the airport with my dad, riots and chaos as we were rushed home from school + my head being shoved under a tap after teargas was gooied on us by mellow yellows(police vans) + hippos(war tanks) while we were playing soccer. My parents then made the decision, for safety and educational reasons, to take me to Bophutatswna, tjerrrrrrr to Pitsedisuleyang, to live with relatives. Can you imagine Soweto to nowhere?????? 

et pic
Khaki-clad Eugene Terblanche (ET)

Eventually when Tautona Mangope’s reign was overthrown, khaki-clad ET supporters rampaged the Bop capital city; pictures and TV visuals of them being shot were flighted all over the world. it traumatized me as the memory and fear of my earlier childhood was brought back.

Connotations
My connotations of the songs can be summarized by a sentence on the case study "The Ministry of Art and Culture recognized that the De La Rey song was in danger of "being hijacked" by a minority of right-wingers and cautioned against the song being used as a "struggle song" that sends out a "call to arms" ". However, the same ministry has turned their ears away from the jigga's Mshini 'wam song. To me, the songs do not represent where South Africa needs to go, what reconciliation is, how the world sees our country and they don’t heal the wounds.

Current Political Climate
I was, and to some extent, am still a hard-on-Mbeki-and-indifferent-to-jiggaman voter. Unapologetic kill-4-jigga-GG-in-woodwork-bearing-matric Julius Malema, does not help or draw me to what i loved about the ANC. his nauseating comments do not resonate what I believe real ANC freedom fighters lost their lives for; not just the dead ones but including the imprisoned, the exiled, the tortured, the missing and the mutilated. 

jz
Jacob (Jiggaman) Zuma and Julius (GoGanne) Malema

With all the above in mind, what is your opinion about the songs and am I being overly sensitive? How do you think the songs build our reconcialition as a nation and what we want the world to see and hear of South Africa?



38 Comments

carino
03 Nov 2008 09:36

carino
03 Nov 2008 09:36

carino
03 Nov 2008 09:37

carino
03 Nov 2008 09:37

Segololo
03 Nov 2008 09:43

cariri, why are you shooting blanks so early? I NEED to read your opinion... come on, now!

belz
03 Nov 2008 09:43

LOL!!! @ the mshini wam' translation, it sounds funnny and silly in english.

Cande
03 Nov 2008 09:43

Carino? did you take ur pills?

Cody
03 Nov 2008 09:50

Julius (GoGanne) Malema
 Triple LOL!!!!

carino
03 Nov 2008 09:52

i'm sorry...

TerryN
03 Nov 2008 09:56

Carino? did you take ur pills?

LOL @ Cande
is she on medication?

sweetie my baby
03 Nov 2008 10:07

i'm disgusted by Malema and at the anc machinery that props him up. i'm disgusted at the mudslinging and name calling between anc and the 'shikota express'.

i'm still bitter that my cousin's 3 year old had to die 5 years ago because the government were refusing the citizenry anti-retrovirals.

 i'm bitter about crime, poverty and all the other social ills we have to live with as our daily bread in S.A....and i'm intensely irritated that none of the parties are talking about that - the real issues, and how they've let us down  - although i'm encouraged to hear that on interface maobane, lekota said he'd take responsibility for all the screw ups of the past 14 years that he was a part of....

we need proper leadership.... not this squabbling - if america doesn't vote obama in tomorrow, he can come here and SORT US OUT!!!  we definitely need the change he's talking about.... and at the risk of sounding like an obama groupie...YES WE CAN!!!!!

Thesh
03 Nov 2008 10:15

I never thought much about the De Larey song, but mshini wam has a lot of wrong connotations attached to it, 

Which is why I don't like it, maybe in the struggle times it had a good meaning, but now, I don't understand why it is sung, and why all of a sudden now.

Segololo
03 Nov 2008 10:17

Sweetie, yes we can!!

GoldenSta
03 Nov 2008 10:19

I think the song (umshini wam) is just a minor manifestation of a bigger problem, which is people are still stuck to the apartheid era methods of protesting and making their voices heard. Look at people still destroying property and killing others when on a strike. Those all belong in the past and so do the songs like umshini wam and others that talk of destroying the enemy and so forth. For a "leader" to actually promote such is something else...

De La Rey. I guess the Afrikaaners especially male are feeling more and more threatened by the new SA they are feeling more and more displaced in this new dispensation especially since they used to be at the helm. If they could instead focus their energies on finding a place in the new SA because I believe there's room for all us...

Best-Achiever
03 Nov 2008 10:27

I never liked the De Larey Song ... to me it is more about oppressing others and it has an element of grudges in it, it is like someone is doing all he could to prepare for revenge. It is so revengeful

Mshini wami.... that song was not supposed to be sang post apartheid. It is so revengeful and JZ did have timing to sing it.

Im als disgusted with the name calling and the anger that is happening between Shikota and the ANC, whycantanyone just start a new part on a clean slate. Why did they fail to do all the changes they weresupposed to do in those 14 years?, hhayi suka, sometimes im tempted to think that poeple are power hungry that cant live without being in power and they do that in our emotional expense. Im still not sure who am i going to vote for

carino
03 Nov 2008 09:36

carino
03 Nov 2008 09:36

carino
03 Nov 2008 09:37

carino
03 Nov 2008 09:37

Segololo
03 Nov 2008 09:43

cariri, why are you shooting blanks so early? I NEED to read your opinion... come on, now!

belz
03 Nov 2008 09:43

LOL!!! @ the mshini wam' translation, it sounds funnny and silly in english.

Cande
03 Nov 2008 09:43

Carino? did you take ur pills?

Cody
03 Nov 2008 09:50

Julius (GoGanne) Malema
 Triple LOL!!!!

GML
03 Nov 2008 11:22

I cannot really say or comment on the De La rey Song but Umshini Wam' is just wrong.

He will be like Mugabe who will use violence to achieve absolute power. That song symbolises the difficult time our people had to go thru.

The ANC has done a lot for the country, BUT we also need to question the people who now represent this organisation that has liberated the people of SA.

Are they truly genuine in their quest for improvvement of lives? Are they still leading with the same principles, values and morals that our former leaders believed in?

I How can 1 suggest killing for an individual? When the battles of today have nothing to do with violence but with survival through education etc.

carino
03 Nov 2008 09:52

i'm sorry...

TerryN
03 Nov 2008 09:56

Carino? did you take ur pills?

LOL @ Cande
is she on medication?

sweetie my baby
03 Nov 2008 10:07

i'm disgusted by Malema and at the anc machinery that props him up. i'm disgusted at the mudslinging and name calling between anc and the 'shikota express'.

i'm still bitter that my cousin's 3 year old had to die 5 years ago because the government were refusing the citizenry anti-retrovirals.

 i'm bitter about crime, poverty and all the other social ills we have to live with as our daily bread in S.A....and i'm intensely irritated that none of the parties are talking about that - the real issues, and how they've let us down  - although i'm encouraged to hear that on interface maobane, lekota said he'd take responsibility for all the screw ups of the past 14 years that he was a part of....

we need proper leadership.... not this squabbling - if america doesn't vote obama in tomorrow, he can come here and SORT US OUT!!!  we definitely need the change he's talking about.... and at the risk of sounding like an obama groupie...YES WE CAN!!!!!

Thesh
03 Nov 2008 10:15

I never thought much about the De Larey song, but mshini wam has a lot of wrong connotations attached to it, 

Which is why I don't like it, maybe in the struggle times it had a good meaning, but now, I don't understand why it is sung, and why all of a sudden now.

Segololo
03 Nov 2008 10:17

Sweetie, yes we can!!

GoldenSta
03 Nov 2008 10:19

I think the song (umshini wam) is just a minor manifestation of a bigger problem, which is people are still stuck to the apartheid era methods of protesting and making their voices heard. Look at people still destroying property and killing others when on a strike. Those all belong in the past and so do the songs like umshini wam and others that talk of destroying the enemy and so forth. For a "leader" to actually promote such is something else...

De La Rey. I guess the Afrikaaners especially male are feeling more and more threatened by the new SA they are feeling more and more displaced in this new dispensation especially since they used to be at the helm. If they could instead focus their energies on finding a place in the new SA because I believe there's room for all us...

Best-Achiever
03 Nov 2008 10:27

I never liked the De Larey Song ... to me it is more about oppressing others and it has an element of grudges in it, it is like someone is doing all he could to prepare for revenge. It is so revengeful

Mshini wami.... that song was not supposed to be sang post apartheid. It is so revengeful and JZ did have timing to sing it.

Im als disgusted with the name calling and the anger that is happening between Shikota and the ANC, whycantanyone just start a new part on a clean slate. Why did they fail to do all the changes they weresupposed to do in those 14 years?, hhayi suka, sometimes im tempted to think that poeple are power hungry that cant live without being in power and they do that in our emotional expense. Im still not sure who am i going to vote for

GML
03 Nov 2008 11:22

I cannot really say or comment on the De La rey Song but Umshini Wam' is just wrong.

He will be like Mugabe who will use violence to achieve absolute power. That song symbolises the difficult time our people had to go thru.

The ANC has done a lot for the country, BUT we also need to question the people who now represent this organisation that has liberated the people of SA.

Are they truly genuine in their quest for improvvement of lives? Are they still leading with the same principles, values and morals that our former leaders believed in?

I How can 1 suggest killing for an individual? When the battles of today have nothing to do with violence but with survival through education etc.

Segololo
03 Nov 2008 12:55

GML<<How can 1 suggest killing for an individual? When the battles of today have nothing to do with violence but with survival through education etc.>> i agree, and we know how "educated" this leadership is...

Thesh
03 Nov 2008 13:16

My views about this leadership is that, they are more educated in manipulating things than trying to solve them, just listen to the song they sing, 

There was this song the MC was singing in Soweto, its in Shangaan, and mostly its in churches, I gathered it means something like "ukubusa" lost English words. 

How can one sing that to praise another human being, things we do for leadership roles and status amazes me

Segololo
03 Nov 2008 12:55

GML<<How can 1 suggest killing for an individual? When the battles of today have nothing to do with violence but with survival through education etc.>> i agree, and we know how "educated" this leadership is...

Thesh
03 Nov 2008 13:16

My views about this leadership is that, they are more educated in manipulating things than trying to solve them, just listen to the song they sing, 

There was this song the MC was singing in Soweto, its in Shangaan, and mostly its in churches, I gathered it means something like "ukubusa" lost English words. 

How can one sing that to praise another human being, things we do for leadership roles and status amazes me

Floh
03 Nov 2008 20:43

Yerrrrrrrrrrr, lemme be a silent blogger. Too exhausted with Politiki

Floh
03 Nov 2008 20:43

Yerrrrrrrrrrr, lemme be a silent blogger. Too exhausted with Politiki


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