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Jacub Zuma in Rhema 15/03/2009

Written by Amza from the blog It can be confusing... on 16 Mar 2009
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God knows I hesitated from this morning to post this article because I thought this feeling will go away.

My sister in law couldn’t wait get to my house and so she decided to call me on her way to share her frustration on the Jacob Zuma/Rhema drama yesterday. Well obviously me after the Carl Niehaus R700 000 and Rhema I just sort of like been slightly off it and I didn’t care much. But yesterday was just a wake up call because I realized that somehow I am affected by this whole thing (Im not sure why and how?) But anyway I m church hunting. Any ideas???

And so I stumbled onto this article this morning:

Cape Town - Some News24 Users find Jacob Zuma's appearance at the Rhema Bible Church in bad taste, while others can't see what the bid deal is. Read their comments below and have your say on this issue.

Dear Editor,
I'm still reeling from the shock of seeing Jacob Zuma campaigning at the Rhema church at the weekend. I can't think of anything more distasteful than seeing a politician promoting his own agenda in what is meant to be a House of God. Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the same God and I'm sure all of those faiths would agree with me that this is an abomination.
For those who don't believe in God and won't understand my outrage I can liken it to this: if you're an ANC supporter this would be like Helen Zille promoting the DA at an ANC rally.
But my issue today isn't with Jacob Zuma, it's with Ray McCauley. For someone who claims to be a servant of God, he has been setting a poor example of late. There was the scandal surrounding the loan from the Rhema church to Carl Niehaus which first made me question the Rhema church.
First, what is a church doing lending out money and second, how is it able to lend out such a large amount to one individual? The sight of Ray then shaking Zuma's hand and ushering him to the pulpit was the final straw for me.
Ray McCauley should be strongly rebuked for what he has done. Perhaps Pastor Ray would like to go back and take another look at the bible and read what Jesus said in Mark (11:17) to the religious leaders after he chased the money lenders out of the temple: "Hath it not been written - My house a house of prayer shall be called for all the nations, and ye did make it a den of robbers?"

PS. This was posted on the news 24 site

261 Comments

Amza
16 Mar 2009 14:07

if you're an ANC supporter this would be like Helen Zille promoting the DA at an ANC rally.

Lol, Can you imagine?

Dimago
16 Mar 2009 14:11

I heard from a friend about his appearance and apparently people stood up and left. I also feel it was inappropriate to do that when people are there to hear the word of God and you spring up JZ on them and he speaks for over hald the sermon...

Dimago
16 Mar 2009 14:13

hald the sermon = half the service
tjo, i'm becoming a typical blocker...lol

Pooky
16 Mar 2009 14:14

♫Jacob Zuma how low can you go♫

Cande
16 Mar 2009 14:14

Haiyke uRay???

cleve
16 Mar 2009 14:16

The sight of Ray then shaking Zuma's hand and ushering him to the pulpit was the final straw for me.

Why?? Does JZ have some kind of disease that we don't know of????? Pity the writer of the letter is not here to answer.

Best-Achiever
16 Mar 2009 14:17

i thought of you Dimago when he was ushered to the podium, i could have smsed you but i didnt have my phone ... i was so so so so confused, what did all that mean, im still confused and wish somehow Ps Ray can explain it to me in simple english.i didnt think that any Church can invite a political public person to speak especial with elections on the way ..how i wish atleast it was the President, as much as he is also the ANC but they would have fooled us.

awelani
16 Mar 2009 14:19

@Amza, did he sing ♫Mshini wami♫??

Dimago
16 Mar 2009 14:19

I think Ps Ray hould have announced upfront and people would have decided if they wanted to attend that service or not...

sponono
16 Mar 2009 14:20

its absolute nonsense...this Rhema church has turned into some sort of an exclusive club with celebrities and now polititians, and it seemes like Ray thought Zuma is the ultimate draw...so he just couldnt resist..probably thinking that Zuma might even join the church ....HOWEVER (while we're complaining about the Rhema church lets not forget this story from May 2007- Jacob Zuma, the ANC deputy president, took his charm offensive to the pulpit when he was made an honorary pastor at a meeting of independent charismatic churches Ntuzuma's Full Gospel Community Church at Ntuzuma, north of Durban, on Saturday..

at least Rhema didnt give him a position (YET)....LOL

Dimago
16 Mar 2009 14:22

In that case i'm gald i was not in that service BA...i probably would have followed the crowd. Did u stay BA?

Amza
16 Mar 2009 14:22

@ Awi Lol....

Best-Achiever
16 Mar 2009 14:22

I think Ps Ray hould have announced upfront and people would have decided if they wanted to attend that service or not...

i think they knew what could have been the outcome, so dissapointing stuff

awelani
16 Mar 2009 14:22

@Cleve, I think maybe the writer is refering to Ray's expression, like when u give a lil boy cande(not our tvsa Cande,lol, tokin bout sweets,lol), or when u promise to give him some(cande) if he daz something good..

Best-Achiever
16 Mar 2009 14:25

In that case i'm gald i was not in that service BA...i probably would have followed the crowd. Did u stay BA?

Nop Dimago..i packed my bags, rushed to my car and drove off to another chance .... i didnt real understood whatwas happening that's why i decided to leave, my cousin reckons i should have stayed and listen, well i dont regret leaving but going there in the first place

cleve
16 Mar 2009 14:25

Ray McCauley should be strongly rebuked for what he has done

You should be rebuked too for all the sins you have commited. Eish sometimes some christians make me puke and embarrassed being a christian. Who is she/he to judge whether someone should be rebuked. eeeehhhh!!!!

awelani
16 Mar 2009 14:25

Y couldnt he go and campaign in my hood(Hill B Estates) or Noord taxi rank @least,, Y ko kerekeng??? mara my future president thinks like a chicken, really, nx!!

Best-Achiever
16 Mar 2009 14:26

chance -church

nice
16 Mar 2009 14:27

ya neh, something is just not right here. I mean really there was no need to give him a podium. he is allowed to go to any church that he wants but I do not want to hear a word from him because he is not a pastor. had I wanted to hear his manifesto I would have gone to the ANC rally. But then again if the Rhema congregants stayed and listened, who are to judge them. Mina I would have left

cleve
16 Mar 2009 14:27

Nop Dimago..i packed my bags, rushed to my car and drove off to another chance ....

But why BA, please explain to me. Especially the fact that you didn't know what the guy was going to say.

Cande
16 Mar 2009 14:27

So the congregation didnt know JZ was coming??? Ray needs to be investigated, i have always had a bad feeling about him

Pooky
16 Mar 2009 14:28

Amza, did he sing ♫Mshini wami♫??
LMAO....the imagery kills me...............reminds me of the scenario at Nonny's church

awelani
16 Mar 2009 14:29

Cleve, when u go to church u go there to worship God and listen to his word, right?? not to listen to a politician campagining for the elections(he was campaining ne BA?,lol)

Onna
16 Mar 2009 14:30

I seriously do not see anything wrong with JZ speaking at Rhema or any other church for that matter. Why didnt anybody say anything when Mbeki went to ZCC? Would anybody have said anything if he had gone to ZCC? What was so offensive to him talking to people and asking them to pray for peaceful elections? And you people call yourselves christians.
And the writter of the letter sayng its like Helen campaining in ANC rally, does Rhema belong to any political party? Itas not like Pastor Ray will forbid anybody wanting to come to his church so people should just ask for an invite too or shut it.

TheLady
16 Mar 2009 14:31

It's not the first church he'sbeen to...he's been at Pastor Dube's tent (Dbn) well he goes there freaquently just before his appearance in court-he's been 'ordained' a pastor before...so ya...Mrev to Mrev.LOL

I canpicture him "mshin'wam*2" hehehe

awelani
16 Mar 2009 14:32

LOL @ Pooky,, u know that's his greeting msg, so who knows, maybe he sang it and the church choir backed him up,lol..just kiddng b4 sum ppl go ol Holier than thout attitude on me :)

TheLady
16 Mar 2009 14:32

Apparently it was not half the congreagtion-just about 59 people+BA

Dimago
16 Mar 2009 14:32

mean really there was no need to give him a podium. he is allowed to go to any church that he wants but I do not want to hear a word from him because he is not a pastor.
He's an ordained priest nice, see spopo's post above.

Ps Ray is giving Rhema members a tough job of defending him and the church...this is becoming too much!

Best-Achiever
16 Mar 2009 14:33

But why BA, please explain to me. Especially the fact that you didn't know what the guy was going to say.

Because Cleve, i go to church for praise, worship and the word of God not to listen to politicins campaining, if i want that i attend rallies, listen to their debates on TV ...i dont want the same thing at Church.

cleve
16 Mar 2009 14:34

Cleve, when u go to church u go there to worship God and listen to his word, right?? not to listen to a politician campagining for the elections(he was campaining ne BA?,lol)

True but what I heard was that he wasn't campaining.

Dimago
16 Mar 2009 14:36

So the congregation didnt know JZ was coming??? Ray needs to be investigated, i have always had a bad feeling about him
LMAO Cande

awelani
16 Mar 2009 14:36

@Onna,, had it been Mbeki, it wud have been a different story ol2geda, he wudnt have been campaigning as he was already the president of this country,,(JZ was campaigning indirectly),,,,and about him going to ZCC, maybe it wudnt have such noise,,but him going to Rhema after the Carl Niehaus fiasco, it makes one wonder,, Daz the ANC have shares @ Rhema??

TheLady
16 Mar 2009 14:37

Maybe he was there to testify....umfundisi lona you guys are forgetting...nomama mfundisi abawu 5.

Best-Achiever
16 Mar 2009 14:37

Onna... Mbeki was the president so it is quite understandable because he went there as the president of the country not the president of certain political party.

Apparently it was not half the congreagtion-just about 59 people+BA
TheLady..im certain that the person who gave you those numbers was failed by addition

realist
16 Mar 2009 14:37

Exactly what was so wrong for him campaigning at the church? As a Christian are going to vote or not? Btw, who is being self righteous here?

Dimago
16 Mar 2009 14:39

True but what I heard was that he wasn't campaining.
True, i heard he was asking the church to pray for peaceful elections. But still, members should have been told. Like each time there is a guest speaker (pastor), they make announcements and people choose whether to come for the guest speaker or not...why was it not the case for Pastor JZ?

Onna
16 Mar 2009 14:40

If B-A and 59 others stayed they would have heard he was not there to campain. And people preach tollerance............

cleve
16 Mar 2009 14:40

Because Cleve, i go to church for praise, worship and the word of God not to listen to politicins campaining, if i want that i attend rallies, listen to their debates on TV ...i dont want the same thing at Church.

BA you did not know what he wanted to say right??? So why did you judge him before he even opened his mouth?? That's what I don't understand. If he started campaigning for the ANC then you could have stood up and left. What if he could have said something that could have changed you life and you missed out on that opportunity by being judgemental. You never know what you gon find in church, I believe that you should listen and then make your own judgement. even if it's frrom a prostitute telling you guys that she will never change her lifestyle. You never know maybe you can save her from it.

blueroze
16 Mar 2009 14:40

Bazeeks ba a lwana ga ba batle voet voet nonsense; if i remeber well Thabo le ena o sale a ya moria.....maybe campiagn ya kereke e berekela CNA aretsi! *with my shoulders up*

Dimago
16 Mar 2009 14:43

Exactly what was so wrong for him campaigning at the church? As a Christian are going to vote or not? Btw, who is being self righteous here?
Its not being self-righteous realist, its about respecting people enough to tell them what to expect so that they can make informed choices...

Shuga babe
16 Mar 2009 14:43

@Confused Christian, its soooooooooooooooooooooo RUDE to misspell other pople's names especially the President. its JACOB not Jacub.

*sign*

myname
16 Mar 2009 14:43

Khawulethe umshini wam mshini wam

I didnt know he is also a priest, Oh nkosi yam i wonder where SA is going?

Onna
16 Mar 2009 14:44

Is he not the candicate for the ANC? Or you mean to tell me when Mbeki was president he stopped being an ANC member. I think even if it was Motlante people would have found something to say.

TheLady
16 Mar 2009 14:45

I guess I'll never know how many people people +B-A (LOL)left...some dude insists it couldn't have been more than (99+B-A) people...kodwa ke he is a politician probably used to people leaving when he is about to speak.

faraimagic
16 Mar 2009 14:46

looking at politics,the south african political Parties are Boring!!!!!we have no choice than to Vote for ANC again!at least we can trust them,Leave JZ alone,he is just a man,maar he has the presidential Quallities....look around you..all the streets and bill boards are Yellow...the ANC is taking over our roads!even beggers on the side streets are holdong ANC posters!(if you look from the back!LOL).....im sure Zuma can do a better job than the rest of the clowns!Sooo he went to church,so wat?cant he go to Church now...Lets face it....he is going to be the next President! we might as well join him now!

Cande
16 Mar 2009 14:46

Onna, Mbeki was speaking as the country's president not a political party leader campaigning for elections

Dimago
16 Mar 2009 14:49

u mean *sigh* ShugaBabe...

Cande
16 Mar 2009 14:49

LOL@ SB

Best-Achiever
16 Mar 2009 14:50

BA you did not know what he wanted to say right??? So why did you judge him before he even opened his mouth?? That's what I don't understand. If he started campaigning for the ANC then you could have stood up and left.

Cleve... i didnt judge JZ dear, dont misunderstand me, i didnt just up and leave when he was asked to take the podium..i took my bags and left when he started to go on about how the ANC believes in Christianity, based in It and all that... i didntwant to hear more of those. How the ANC needs support and prayers to continue working for better life for all

I understand that the primary what what of him going there, he said it is about praying for the upccoming elections, but elections are not only for the ANC

Cande
16 Mar 2009 14:52

LMAO@ Dimago, OMW hehehehhehe

myname
16 Mar 2009 14:53

Eish im just waiting for these elections, im so GATVOL about lo tata mfiiiiiiiiiiiimmmm

Zuma this, Zuma that nywe nyweeeeeeeee

Amza
16 Mar 2009 14:53

Lol @Shuga Babe...Abantu make mistakes everyday nje..

awelani
16 Mar 2009 14:54

Onna weee, what um trying to say is it wud have been a different story if Mr Mbeki was the 1 who has gone to ANY church and tok about anything(like peace-ful elections) bcos he represents the WHOLE country not just ANC even thou he is part of the ANC,, u JZ yena right now he's representing the ANC and the ANC alone, he can go to any church after elections and preach about whatever he wana preach about, defend him ol u want, mara JayZee was campaigning*indirectly*, he might not have given ppl ANC pamphlets or tok about the ANC @ all mara yena he was there to campaign..

but truth be told, had it been the new COPE president(the ex-priest), DA or any other party,,no1 wud have sed anything about it,,uJayZee wa bantu bandla, all eyes are on him, Mncim...BTW, has any1 heard the DA ad on radio, instead of Helen Godzille tell ppl what the DA can do, she's busy toking about how the ANC has split and now the DA and the other clubs can beat them,,I mean really now,,

Best-Achiever
16 Mar 2009 14:54

The thing is TheLady... im not sure if anyone would give you theexact figures because people were leaving on different times.

realist
16 Mar 2009 14:55

Its not being self-righteous realist, its about respecting people enough to tell them what to expect so that they can make informed choices...
Would it have made any difference? I don’t think so but again I respect what you are saying above. As you can see it is easy to be judgmental even if you are a Christian.

faraimagic
16 Mar 2009 14:55

mna im so loving the ANC right now!we might as well embress uJulias Malema?! wasnt he also in Church?

Cande
16 Mar 2009 14:56

lol@ Awelani calling them clubs not parties

Onna
16 Mar 2009 14:57

Yes they are not for the ANC, he did not ask the congregants to pray that the ANC wins he asked for peaceful elections at which I beleave any political party will participate.

faraimagic
16 Mar 2009 14:58

mna im gona Vote for President Nelson Mandela(the only one true president we ever had!)..LOL im just gon pretend like we are in 1994! ROTFLMBAO!

Best-Achiever
16 Mar 2009 14:58

she's busy toking about how the ANC has split and now the DA
heard that awelani and i was asking myself when is she going to convince us to vote for her party

awelani
16 Mar 2009 14:59

Cande, that's what they are to me,lol um not gonna lie to u..

@Farai, I was also wondering the same thing about him, BA, was Juju also there??

Amza
16 Mar 2009 14:59

Juju Malema...hahahahah.

Best-Achiever
16 Mar 2009 15:00

Onna ... please read this, it was my response to cleve and then rephrase your statement

Cleve... i didnt judge JZ dear, dont misunderstand me, i didnt just up and leave when he was asked to take the podium..i took my bags and left when he started to go on about how the ANC believes in Christianity, based in It and all that... i didntwant to hear more of those. How the ANC needs support and prayers to continue working for better life for all

myname
16 Mar 2009 15:00

wasnt he also in Church? For sure his sidekick was there.

Best-Achiever
16 Mar 2009 15:01

BA, was Juju also there??

lol awelani... i dint see him

awelani
16 Mar 2009 15:02

yazi BA, whenever i hear that ad, i just laf @ her and we suppose to vote for her, what the heck is she gonna do for us?? bad-mouthing the ANC is not gonna change anything,, Sum1 needs to tell her abheke indaba zakhe,,

wena farai, uya gula,lol

faraimagic
16 Mar 2009 15:03

So why the media is making this a Circus? cumon?they just want to take yo mind off the elections?

awelani
16 Mar 2009 15:03

where BS?? any luck with that interview with him(Juju), it wud be an interesting read..

myname
16 Mar 2009 15:04

Hai wethu he was there for his party, nothing else.

The shower man will always be the shower man.

Im sure he was reading his speech futhi....yithi ndiyaxoka ngoku?

faraimagic
16 Mar 2009 15:06

wara wara wara wara!why do people go to church in the first place? does it metter who is in and not?

Best-Achiever
16 Mar 2009 15:08

yazi BA, whenever i hear that ad, i just laf @ her and we suppose to vote for her, what the heck is she gonna do for us?? bad-mouthing the ANC is not gonna change anything,, Sum1 needs to tell her abheke indaba zakhe

Their marketing what what failed the party, they should ask for advises from KFC or Cell-C team

awelani
16 Mar 2009 15:08

LOL @ Myname, please leave my future president alone, please...he's only human,, and about the speech, if he had to address the congregation in IsiZulu, i dont think he was gonna read any piece of paper,, lets not 4get ppl, English is not his mother tongue, we cant expect him to be like Obama phela,,

faraimagic
16 Mar 2009 15:09

at least the shower man ..runs around.he mingles with the people!.....tjo tjo tjo tjo im becoming a die hard fan of ANC and Jacob Zuma!LOL

nice
16 Mar 2009 15:10

nee mense, something is not right with this whole picture, he e. It was inappropriate for him to be called to the pulpit.

awelani
16 Mar 2009 15:10

@Farai, people go to church for praise, worship and the hear word of God

faraimagic
16 Mar 2009 15:12

and yeerrrrrrrr! the other political functions are just Dead!!!you only hear about them on news!ag shame...they dont even come to us?who are they gonna gorven? all they do is critisise our lovely ANC?Nx! We love Zuma and his shower!nc nc nc nc Fockofu!LMAO

BigMama
16 Mar 2009 15:13

Who is holier (sp) than Zuma amongst you Christians, just give the man a break. He never intended to kill or harm anyone by going to church. If you are the holier ones, you do believe in forgiveness and all the spreading of love to one another.
Somethings just make me sick .........nxaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Let Zuma be free to attend whichever church in anytime.

Cande
16 Mar 2009 15:13

but politicians have been going to churches mos, why is there a noise about JZ?? i think maybe the congregation was not informed

TheLady
16 Mar 2009 15:15

eish tvsa-we can't have a debate njeee

felfel
16 Mar 2009 15:16

Apparently it is said somewhere online, that it don't matter that honourary Pastor Jacob Zuma made an appearance at Rhema cos "Rhema is not a real church anyway, it is a multi-million rand business"....

awelani
16 Mar 2009 15:18

I think some ppl here are missing the point,,,which is WHY DID PASTOR RAY OR RHEMA CHURCH BIG GUYS ALLOW/INVITE ZUMA TO CAMPAIGN KO REKENG??????

Cande
16 Mar 2009 15:18

yes TL, when will we learn to respect other people's views that are different from ours people?? you can politely disagree but calling names and insults is a big NO NO

awelani
16 Mar 2009 15:20

@TL,, but we are having a debate nje,,now we just need AZAPO supporters to come disrupt the proceedings,lol..

Toxic
16 Mar 2009 15:22

religion and politics ALL in one article!!!!!

Cande
16 Mar 2009 15:22

yeah Felfel, that RHEMA church is something else

awelani
16 Mar 2009 15:22

Tru dat Cande, NO NAME CALLING GUYS,, come to think of it, Cande and TL, u can b our Tim Modise and Xolani(from Asikhulume),LOL,, u'll decide amongst the two of you who's gonna be who?? hi hi hi hih i

blueroze
16 Mar 2009 15:23

"Rhema is not a real church anyway, it is a multi-million rand business".... JEWASSSSSSS multi million nogal..............................

nice
16 Mar 2009 15:24

Let Zuma be free to attend whichever church in anytime.

BM he can attend any church he wants to go to, my issue is him being given the podium just because he is the ANC president. I doubt very much that he went to church to minister, He was there to campaign

Amza
16 Mar 2009 15:27

@ Felfel do you have a link to that site please...

Toxic
16 Mar 2009 15:31

LOL at Jacub!

felfel
16 Mar 2009 15:32

AMZA
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=162407&page=2

thats the link Azma

Cande
16 Mar 2009 15:33

lol@ the Azapo supporters disrupting, LOL AWELANI

GML
16 Mar 2009 15:33

He also went to my Church Twelve Apostles Church in Christ last year- I was annoyed as I hadnt been to church in a long time and was looking forward to hearing the the word of God. What did our pastor talk about instead? The ANC. WTF??? He even read a few bible verses and made them link to the ANC. I was seriously pissed. He could have conducted church properly and then campaign.

dali
16 Mar 2009 15:34

jz fever has hit tvsa! joh joh joh

awelani
16 Mar 2009 15:37

Yes Dali, it has, any chance to campaign,,LOL

TheLady
16 Mar 2009 15:38

Ngicela ukuba uAsanda Magaqa..

BigMama
16 Mar 2009 15:40

nice............but he is big in certain places, just picture Madiba attending the service, and the service just close without being given the podium or just being ignored. Maybe the pastor did not know Mr JZ will be attending the service, that is why the congregation was never informed from the first place.
Anyone here will promote their company wherever they go, so JZ was doing what he thought was right. We see things differently, maybe he just thought that is the best time to talk to the people.
As the people of God, l understand they should have patience, why did they just leave and went wherever without hearing a word from him, to me thats part of being judgemental. No one is perfect, JZ has made his mistakes, just as some or all of us, but we can´t crucify him for that, he is the child of God also.

awelani
16 Mar 2009 15:40

have you guys heard the ANC song,, with a Winnie Khumalo, Chicco and other musicians?? if ANC daznt win the elections, ubuthakathi bukhona for real,lol,, they have ads on TV, radio, just dont know bout a website yet, but it must b in the pipe-line,lol

faraimagic
16 Mar 2009 15:41

After all the name Jacob comes from the Bibble!!! technecally speaking that was Jesus's dad!...........

dali
16 Mar 2009 15:41

awe ni nge voti mina no need to campaign

awelani
16 Mar 2009 15:42

@TL,, who is Asanda Magaqa???

TheLady
16 Mar 2009 15:43

LOL farai...hehehe...

Awe even uChommie gets sexy ANC gear...they are going all out I tell ya.

TheLady
16 Mar 2009 15:44

She's that lady that took over from Xolani for a while..I just love the way she said her name.

awelani
16 Mar 2009 15:45

LMAO @ Farai.. tl tl tl tl tl tl tl

dali,, um not sure if I heard u correctly, did u just say that u wont b voting, i hope your reason is that u under 18 or have no ID book, adayws, u ya penga,lol.

myname
16 Mar 2009 15:46

"Rhema is not a real church anyway, it is a multi-million rand business"....Maybe u should check who the owner is? Maybe JZ

I still say, he was there to campaign, he is so scared, i competition is tyt. Next uzoya kwi Pensioners home ayozenza ngcwele, he makes me discussing (DONTS try 2 help me with i-spelling)

awelani
16 Mar 2009 15:47

uthini naa TL,, Chomee is also 'endorsing' the ANC??? they're going all out for sure.

AkaS
16 Mar 2009 15:48

@ Toxic LOL at Jacub! kwa kwa kwa

Guys you were not suppose to leave you should have stayed and interceded that he accepts Jesus as his personal Saviour who knows ngabe usesindisiwe sikhuluma nje. Instead of continuing with his speech or campaign and he should have stopped and say I wanna accept Jesus as my personal Saviour! lol

Next time don't go instead intercede, intercede and intercede you'll never know God ways of bringing people to His Kingdom....

awelani
16 Mar 2009 15:49

LMAO @ Myname,

faraimagic
16 Mar 2009 15:50

anyway all we(at the ANC) are saying is...'Hooooooza hoza hoza nabangani bako!'ende u chele bangani bako nami, ngizochela bangani bami!

dali
16 Mar 2009 15:50

na penga!

maddie
16 Mar 2009 15:53

I was going to say to you guys that u r unfair until I came across this

i didnt just up and leave when he was asked to take the podium..i took my bags and left when he started to go on about how the ANC believes in Christianity, based in It and all that... i @BA

That sounds like campaigning to me.

I heard on the news that he spoke about how we should pray for a peaceful election which is fair but a bit ironic considering that his members keep on interrupting other people's rallies, and even though they say they r against it I don't think they r doing enough to stop that.

ironic - he still sings mshini wami and people carry toy AK47 at his court appearances and he's done nothing to rebuke them and people have claimed to kill for him and he's done nothing at all.

I'm not here to judge him but he has contradicted himself so much that it's hard to beleive every word that comes of out his mouth.

I think this has a lot to do with Mvume Dandala's appointment, a bigger percentage of South African are Christians and he's scared the ANC will loose the Christian vote.

I still cannot beleive that people still believe a word that comes out of his mouth, maybe he's right we need to PRAY FOR OUR COUNTRY, MAYBE GOD WILL SEND JESUS BACK ON THE 23RD OF APRIL

faraimagic
16 Mar 2009 15:57

i must call President Zuma...next week,we are taking it to the Club's,we might even Phone Phila(from live) to hook us up with Free Air time!!....we are the President,and there is nothing you guys can do about it!...YES WE CAN!

myname
16 Mar 2009 16:01

Instead of continuing with his speech or campaign and he should have stopped and say I wanna accept Jesus as my personal Saviour! lol

Replace Jesus with Satan

Amza
16 Mar 2009 16:02

MAYBE GOD WILL SEND JESUS BACK ON THE 23RD OF APRIL...

If that is the case then I cant wait...

myname
16 Mar 2009 16:06

I love this quote, is from one famous TVSA Blogger, “Neither Jesus or Satan would want him" (Thanks One & Only)

cleve
16 Mar 2009 16:07

I really feel people of that church are biased many of them probably stood up before he even uttered a word. So much for Christianity......... ncncnc!

faraimagic
16 Mar 2009 16:08

all i see in Zuma is a leader! he is a Strategist! its sooo coooool! he must also take it to facebook! is Obama did it,so can he!!!BTW i like that ANC advert ,with a cute coloured chick,saying she wishes one day she wud be a doctor ,and her dad grow in his electric business,blah,blah blah,the the main man comes in and drops his line..working together we can do it.....tjo.......ANC has my Vote...you can say watever you want!

Amza
16 Mar 2009 16:10

OMG @myname...this is when one has reached their Sell By date....

faraimagic
16 Mar 2009 16:11

Futhi we must just becume a one Party state! it turns out we dont need the oppositions! they are just waisting the tax payers money!

cleve
16 Mar 2009 16:12

Replace Jesus with Satan

Aowa my-name, this is not right.

Nonny
16 Mar 2009 16:16

Mximmmmmmmmmm I hate meetings, now I've missed out!!!!!!!!!!

Amza
16 Mar 2009 16:17

On what Nonny?

ms.tebby
16 Mar 2009 16:18

bathong, a ngwana(JZ) a tshele...dont kill the poor child, tl tl tl tl hi hi hi hi hi

awelani
16 Mar 2009 16:21

Guys, lets not go HOLLIER THAN THOU ON JAY ZEE, please,, nathi we have our own faults, so please,, lay off.

myname
16 Mar 2009 16:21

Aowa my-name, this is not right. But u know it is right nhe cleve.....

Really i cant wait for these elections, nizobona itrue colours zalotata.....

The poors will continue eating ikafu yehagu while the riches will continue eating vanilla ice cream as their everyday desserts.

Byebye, im going home

Green.arrow
16 Mar 2009 16:22

Imagine if it was the DA or any other party hwo had done this...JM would have bumbd into a camera and vuvuzela'd his heart out already...

BUt...Barack Obama started his early days campaigning in churches (for senatorship).

Zuma killed me when he said something to the effcet of (misquote) "the rulling party or the government is based on christian primciples"....and the seconds later he subtlely insulted the principles of the church (telling them them that the gov will continue to be on the opposite side when it comes to abortion and etc etc policies)

He shouldnt have been allowed to come...anywhere else, at a rally..whatever...what he said would have been cool...mara he was soo out of place at church...very.

myname
16 Mar 2009 16:24

Guys, lets not go HOLLIER THAN THOU ON JAY ZEE, please,, nathi we have our own faults, so please,, lay off.

Mna standwa sam andikho hollier & i dont even try 2 be coz sengingcole worse, maybe neither Lord................LOL (im sure sowukhathele yile quote)

Bye Awisto

Cande
16 Mar 2009 16:24

but myname you cant say he wants to accept Jesus as his saviour, i understand you dont like him but i dont think you should associate him with satan

BigMama
16 Mar 2009 16:26

@maddie........You can´t blame JZ for other people´s actions, he never puts words in their mouths (we don´t have proof). The way they choose to conduct themselves has nothing to do with JZ.

If JZ was meant to occupy the highest office in SA, there is nothing you can do to change it. Hate him or love him, God is the only one who knows and will determine Msholozi´s destiny.

Who is the Presidential candidate for cope, l always see two posters of Lekota and Dandala? Is there trouble in the house or kanjani. Do tell supporters.........

myname
16 Mar 2009 16:27

cande masiyifinisher kausane this thing

Nonny
16 Mar 2009 16:28

On what Nonny?
Amza - On this article, phela mina I hate catching up, I want to be involved from the begining till the end of an article.

Ms. Jay
16 Mar 2009 16:29

.but he is big in certain places, just picture Madiba attending the service, and the service just close without being given the podium or just being ignored

I can picture that just fine...it takes humility to sit thru a service and not get up to say something just because you r "important"

MAYBE GOD WILL SEND JESUS BACK ON THE 23RD OF APRIL

be careful of what you ask for, some people may not be ready and u may be one of them

Religion and politics are a good combination if the person is SAVED and understands the power of POWER and knows who is in ultimate POWER @ the end of the day and is in politics, when the just rule........

if the person is not SAVED - then religion + politics = DISASTER, both have elements of power and would be @ opposites if the individual concerned does not which side of the fence he belongs

With regards to Ray inviting Jay to preach or "campaign"- hmmmm.......you never abuse the santuary of God to further your own agenda - a sin most men + women of God are guilty of - if indeed that was their intention...otherwise Ray may have been trying to get him SAVED.....always 2 sides to every situation

Jay asking for prayers during elections - its understandable

the accusation that Rhema is a multi million rand business - what they do (RHEMA) with the blessing of God is their business - I believe that the congregants who give faithfully to God based on obedience faith are reaping bountifully, the men/women in charge of the finances of the church will be held accountable for what they do with the ministry seed...RHEMA is not just an SA church, they are founded on Kenneth E Hagin Snr ministry if I am not mistaken......so the wealth that this particular church is reaping is from seed planted by other Faith-filled and obedient men of God.......

As far as Christians being accused of being judgemental - we will judged by our own measuring sticks......

Nonny
16 Mar 2009 16:30

Guys, lets not go HOLLIER THAN THOU ON JAY ZEE, please,, nathi we have our own faults, so please,, lay off.
And wena Awe, what's ur problem, has JZ hooked u up with a free year's supply of baby oil and u don't wanna loose out?..........LOL

Lela
16 Mar 2009 16:33

For me(a Christian), this was very wrong,inviting ANC to campain in a curch that has p[eople from all political parties. Had he invited all the political parties then it would have made sense because as Christins we have a duty to pray for our leaders but campauigning is just something else. Phofu nam ngendipakame ndaphuma.

ms.tebby
16 Mar 2009 16:33

miss J with words of wisdom- where have you been all this time!

Cande
16 Mar 2009 16:34

LOL

Ms. Jay
16 Mar 2009 16:36

On this article, phela mina I hate catching up, I want to be involved from the begining till the end of an article.

that sounds like a nonny comment fo sho - hehehehehehe hey girl "waving"

awelani
16 Mar 2009 16:36

LOL,, Myname and Nonny, go home,,, the debate shall continue 2mrw,lol

Viewers @ home, please catch us tommorow morning, our guest list include, members from, THE ANC, cope, da, id, kiss,pac,apc, hopefully azapo,, so please do join us(in Nolees's voice,lol) tl tl tl tl tl tl

Goodnyt blockers,,

Ms. Jay
16 Mar 2009 16:37

MIA - have been so busy its shectic.....

Fluffy Head
16 Mar 2009 16:37

What is the big deal really??? Is it because he went to Rhema??? Cause Thabo Mbeki went to ZCC this other time and no one made noise about it - now Jacob Zuma goes to RHEMA and the whole country is crying.... What's the real issue here??? Is it Rhema or politicians in church....

I'm not a fan of JZ (for obvious reasons) but I'm against people making an issue out of nothing.

Nonny
16 Mar 2009 16:45

that sounds like a nonny comment fo sho - hehehehehehe hey girl "waving"
Hey Jael, tis so good to cyber see u!

Best-Achiever
16 Mar 2009 16:49

I really feel people of that church are biased many of them probably stood up before he even uttered a word. So much for Christianity......... ncncnc!

Your assumption is wrong cleve ...very wrong ...people started to leave when he started talking about ANC , that was after the introduction of his speech which was about prayer for elections.

Cande
16 Mar 2009 16:51

let us all bow our heads and pray for safe,free & fair elections

Nonny
16 Mar 2009 16:55

Your assumption is wrong cleve ...very wrong ...people started to leave when he started talking about ANC , that was after the introduction of his speech which was about prayer for elections.
Thank u BA.

nice
16 Mar 2009 17:01

Fluffy, it is Zuma the head of ANC, and not Thabo - the head of the RSA, going to campaign at church.

Sobza
16 Mar 2009 18:51

I don't have a problem with JZ going to any church for prayers, but campaigning is not on. He is definitely gonna need the prayers, ahambe ayoqhumisa impepho namagqirha so that he can stay out of court.

The beauty about our democracy is that you can vote for whoever you want in power and I am definitely not voting ANC that has been hijacked by Vavi, Blade, Mantashe and Malema.

You can blame the Christians who walked out all you like, it was the same JZ who kept quiet when Malema, Angie Motshekga, Vavi, Mantashe and Blade were calling those who left the ANC "snakes, cockroaches, witches and dogs". And as Christians we have to say yes to this nonsense....not in this lifetime.

Vote for JZ if that will make you happy Farai.......I will vote for the Bishop. Enough with the propaganda......its tiring now.

A NEW AGENDA FOR CHANGE AND HOPE. AYINASHOWER, AYINAMUSHINI. VOTE FOR COPE

Brown Shuga
16 Mar 2009 18:52

from the news24 article ....

<<<<<Zuma, who was welcomed among much applause and praise, told the congregation that he was honoured to be a part of the service.>>>>

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2485812,00.html

Brown Shuga
16 Mar 2009 18:55

Hi Sobza....I see you are still COPE-ing kamnandi....

Paralyzer
16 Mar 2009 19:54

LOL @ Myname, please leave my future president alone, please...he's only human,, and about the speech, if he had to address the congregation in IsiZulu, i dont think he was gonna read any piece of paper,, lets not 4get ppl, English is not his mother tongue, we cant expect him to be like Obama phela,,

awelani, please find that quote from JZ that starts with "at one point, you can't believe...."...the man would clearly disagree with you,lol

Teeza
16 Mar 2009 19:58

Juju, when Dandala joined COPE: "The Bishop should stick to religion and leave politics alone" I rest my case. Was he also at church yester???

Paralyzer
16 Mar 2009 20:04

BTW i like that ANC advert ,with a cute coloured chick,saying she wishes one day she wud be a doctor ,and her dad grow in his electric business

the only way she is gonna be a doctor under the ANC governance is with that money she's getting for the advert!!!

Paralyzer
16 Mar 2009 20:06

Juju, when Dandala joined COPE: "The Bishop should stick to religion and leave politics alone" I rest my case. Was he also at church yester???

kwa kwa kw kwa kwak kawak kwa kwa kwa.....luv this....

Green.arrow
16 Mar 2009 20:12

"I think this has a lot to do with Mvume Dandala's appointment, a bigger percentage of South African are Christians and he's scared the ANC will loose the Christian vote..."......ooooo....ke a bona nou....it makes sense bcos i was wondering .....effortlessy though
lemme check BS's link....dipolotiki!!

Brown Shuga
16 Mar 2009 20:15

Sjoe, Teeza....don't take Juju's statements out of context now!

Cande
16 Mar 2009 20:18

religion and politics shouldnt mix coz politics are really dirty

Green.arrow
16 Mar 2009 20:19

"....At the end of Zuma's speech to the congregation, Pastor Ray McCauley prayed for him.
"We pray for peace in our nation... we pray for our leader and we pray for peace in the election.
"Bless him, keep him protected, guide and lead him," prayed McCauley..."

So the dude (Ray McC) actually endorsed JZ.....????...what is this???

Brown Shuga
16 Mar 2009 20:25

Green Arrow....technically speaking Zuma is OUR leader. It will be formalized after April 22. Whether we like it or not so I suggest we start dealing with it, instead of denying it.

My only wish is that he will be found guilty during his trial so that he can step down and allow SA to have a less "scandallous" president.... I can live with Motlanthe for the next five years.

Green.arrow
16 Mar 2009 20:35

Mara...4 me, not accepting it just yet keeps me sane...bcos everytime i imagine him as the president i see staff nightmares are made of.....

Here is a nightmarey tho 4 u:...JZ at the G20 conferences/meetings....(frightening thot)

Paralyzer
16 Mar 2009 20:37

No maan BS, that's like saying we must not vote!!! I think that the young 12 million voters can make a difference, maybe not unseat the ANC but definitely give them less power.....

On him being guilty, the moment his president he will pass a law that prevents the prseident from being tried.....or the judge on his case will be to scared of Juju!!!

Doesn't news 24, sabc and the ANC have some connection??? referring to:<<<<<Zuma, who was welcomed among much applause and praise, told the congregation that he was honoured to be a part of the service.>>>>

tizoz
16 Mar 2009 20:38

off the topic, did I just see a promo for Afta 9 on SABC 1.....

Paralyzer
16 Mar 2009 20:39

Here is a nightmarey tho 4 u:...JZ at the G20 conferences/meetings....(frightening thot)

But he himself said that his english is really good!!! What's the problem???LOL

JZ acts like GOD.....

Paralyzer
16 Mar 2009 20:41

Reply from: tizoz 3/17/2009 2:38:35 AM

off the topic, did I just see a promo for Afta 9 on SABC 1.....

no offence, arent you the same person xcited for sex in the gym???

tizoz
16 Mar 2009 20:44

lol Paralyzer wot's ure point?

Brown Shuga
16 Mar 2009 20:46

<<<no offence, arent you the same person xcited for sex in the gym???>>> He is LOL and that's why he's excited about After Nine kwa kwa kwa

Brown Shuga
16 Mar 2009 20:50

Sorry to go off topic but guys please read this...dam FUNNY!!! LOL

http://bossip.com/77715/tom-joyner-says-beyonce-was-crying-at-inauguration-cause-she-is-stuck-with-jay-z/

tizoz
16 Mar 2009 20:55

<<<no offence, arent you the same person xcited for sex in the gym???>>> He is LOL and that's why he's excited about After Nine kwa kwa kwa

lol wena Suga ngizokuphoxa.....

tizoz
16 Mar 2009 21:02

Sug's do u know if this will be a new season or if these broke ass public broadcaster peers are doing a re-run?

Brown Shuga
16 Mar 2009 21:07

I didn't see the promo my friend...so I'm not sure.

Paralyzer
16 Mar 2009 21:29

<<<no offence, arent you the same person xcited for sex in the gym???>>> He is LOL and that's why he's excited about After Nine kwa kwa kwa

kwa kwa kwa kwa kwam kwa kwa, next thing you gonna ask about tat SABC 3 show with khesani moroka (cant remeber the name),lol

LOL, and why would it be a new season????

The day bloggers (specifically the ANC supporters) will wonder WTF happened to this insightful blog,lol

Paralyzer
16 Mar 2009 22:05

Extract from ANC dictionary:

Abstention: the act of abstaining

see also shower after sex (it will have the same effect)

awelani
17 Mar 2009 08:24

@Sobza: Vote for JZ if that will make you happy Farai.......I will vote for the Bishop. Enough with the propaganda......its tiring now. Isnt he suppose to be EX-Bishop now that he's into politics???

A NEW AGENDA FOR CHANGE AND HOPE. AYINASHOWER, AYINAMUSHINI. VOTE FOR COPE >>Cope is the ANC's baby, the person/s who started it still have a mentality of the ANC, the only thing that has changed is the name and them parading a former Bishop. Terror is just power hungry as well as those who followed him, they want top positions which they could not get at the ANC..all these nonsense they tok about(time for a change has come), is just that, Nonsense,, Y coudnt they make those changes while they were still part of the ANC?? ANC is the big tree, COPE is a lil seed that has just been planted, when it grows it will just like the ANC.

Best-Achiever
17 Mar 2009 08:29

Y coudnt they make those changes while they were still part of the ANC??

i always ask myself the same awelani..why couldnt they implement the changes they are on about in the past 14 years there were in government because they had power to do so?

Ms. Jay
17 Mar 2009 08:35

After reading that article on the link provided by BS - I can see why some people got up and left.....JZ didn know what he was doing on the pulpit.....& Ray endorsed him like it or not....oh well that politics and man trying to get ahead.....maybe Ray wants a seat in the gvt? head over all the churches?>?>? lol

awelani
17 Mar 2009 08:37

Thank you BA....They're just power hungry, and I aint COPE-ing,,and them using a man of God to get votes is just LOW...and him agreeing is just stupid.

awelani
17 Mar 2009 08:38

maybe Ray wants a seat in the gvt? head over all the churches?>?>? Maybe, LOL

Nonny
17 Mar 2009 08:41

Terror is just power hungry as well as those who followed him, they want top positions which they could not get at the ANC..all these nonsense they tok about(time for a change has come), is just that, Nonsense,, Y coudnt they make those changes while they were still part of the ANC?? ANC is the big tree, COPE is a lil seed that has just been planted, when it grows it will just like the ANC.
U are so right Awelani, which is why as ignorant as this may sound I am glad I didn't register to vote, I really do not see any party that is worth my X.

Nonny
17 Mar 2009 08:43

maybe Ray wants a seat in the gvt? head over all the churches?>?>? Maybe, LOL
No offence guys, but Ray is very a strategic thinker and his church is more of a business opportunity than a place of worship, so I wouldn't put any hidden agenda pass him. Hayikabi bazalwane, it's just my opinion!!!!

Best-Achiever
17 Mar 2009 08:48

Hayikabi bazalwane, it's just my opinion!!!!

LOL

Toodecent
17 Mar 2009 08:51

Whether he goes to church, a strip club, money laundering meeting to campaign I honestly dont give a damn... am just Cope- ng.

awelani
17 Mar 2009 08:52

LOL @ tdc

cleve
17 Mar 2009 08:54

No offence guys, but Ray is very a strategic thinker and his church is more of a business opportunity than a place of worship, so I wouldn't put any hidden agenda pass him. Hayikabi bazalwane, it's just my opinion!!!!

@ Nonny, that's how I feel aswell. But in his defence regarding this Zuma issue. The guy couldn't have said no. It will look as if he is opposing the government or his party. So he should also give other parties the pulpit and let people know so they can make a choice.

AkaS
17 Mar 2009 08:56

@ awelani: NEW AGENDA FOR CHANGE AND HOPE. AYINASHOWER, AYINAMUSHINI. VOTE FOR COPE >>Cope is the ANC's baby, the person/s who started it still have a mentality of the ANC, the only thing that has changed is the name and them parading a former Bishop. Terror is just power hungry as well as those who followed him, they want top positions which they could not get at the ANC..all these nonsense they tok about(time for a change has come), is just that, Nonsense,, Y coudnt they make those changes while they were still part of the ANC?? ANC is the big tree, COPE is a lil seed that has just been planted, when it grows it will just like the ANC.

Can I give you 100% awelani WOW.

Ms. Jay
17 Mar 2009 08:56

No offence guys, but Ray is very a strategic thinker and his church is more of a business opportunity than a place of worship

now that shouldn discourage people desparate for God to not seek Him @ all...

Onna
17 Mar 2009 08:57

@awelani sizulu sithi imali ayiluthengi olumanzi meaning they used money to woo the bishop and he was greedy enough to be bought.

cool one
17 Mar 2009 08:58

There are policies that ANC cannot implement because the union are not in favour if them, without Cosatu, SACP, Nehawu, ANC is nothing and maybe cope will use them (clever move). Why is our next pres always reading speeches can't he speak without reading.

Nonny
17 Mar 2009 08:59

The guy couldn't have said no. It will look as if he is opposing the government or his party.
Cleve - He could've set the boundries and requested that JZ doesn't bring politics into the matter, but instead clever old Ray didn't.

cleve
17 Mar 2009 09:01

Cope is the ANC's baby, the person/s who started it still have a mentality of the ANC, the only thing that has changed is the name and them parading a former Bishop. Terror is just power hungry as well as those who followed him, they want top positions which they could not get at the ANC..all these nonsense they tok about(time for a change has come), is just that, Nonsense,, Y coudnt they make those changes while they were still part of the ANC?? ANC is the big tree, COPE is a lil seed that has just been planted, when it grows it will just like the ANC.

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is no ways COPE is gon get my vote. Anyone but them. Id rather vote for ANC ke. rather.

Nonny
17 Mar 2009 09:01

Why is our next pres always reading speeches can't he speak without reading.
Perhaps he lack the intellect or just doesn't want to go "off topic" and end up dancing.

Nonny
17 Mar 2009 09:04

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is no ways COPE is gon get my vote. Anyone but them. Id rather vote for ANC ke. rather.
Neither COPE nor ANC is worth my vote, at the moment no party is. heheheh the sad life of SA.

awelani
17 Mar 2009 09:05

@Cool1..if he was addressing in his own lingo, i think he will adress the crowd/nation from his heart,,,dont 4get, his surname is Zuma, not Obama or Bush..

Ms. Jay
17 Mar 2009 09:06

It will look as if he is opposing the government or his party. So he should also give other parties the pulpit and let people know so they can make a choice.

thats a recipe for disaster - like i said we should never abuse the santuary of God to pursue our own agendas - we will be held accountable for grieving God and subsequenlty turning the church into a "brothel" - unless Ray is trying to get them all saved he is messing around with the prescence of God - maybe he is under instruction from God to do that - I dont think God is wishy washy in His ways. They are set in stone and will not change to suit man and his needs. He is pretty clear on such matters...I dont see how political campaigning in His house gives him worship in Spirit and Truth?

As Zuma said "they bend the moral a little to suit the need in order to live in harmony" - in my own words, read the article yourself and get an interpretation......

I just hope Ray knows that he will be held accountable and so will we if we are bashing him up as the man of God.....like him or not......

we just must not discourage each other from finding God in spirit and truth for ourselves

dali
17 Mar 2009 09:07

amen nonny thot i was the only one who's not voting!

amen!

awelani
17 Mar 2009 09:07

Perhaps he lack the intellect or just doesn't want to go "off topic" and end up dancing.LOL

myname
17 Mar 2009 09:08

Good Morning Beautiful Bloggers,

"The ANC has its roots in the Christian faith, but celebrates and supports all other faiths.
"The ANC practically derives its moral vision from the Church and other sources," he said

Im sure everybody understands English.

"We pray for peace in our nation ... we pray for our leader and we pray for absolute peace during the election." Is paster Ray the member of ANC?

Eish i like this line "Bless him, keep him protected, guide and lead him," prayed McCauley. Should i say more nc nc nc. He beleives in him.

And you still say he was there 4 the whole nation?...

Im really disappointed with this pastor Ray

ngisayokwenza ukophuzwayo

awelani
17 Mar 2009 09:09

@Dali, you dont vote, u will stay there(bundus) for the rest of ur life :)

Toodecent
17 Mar 2009 09:11

Cope is the ANC's baby, >>> Thats a shallow statement.

Nonny
17 Mar 2009 09:12

@Dali, you dont vote, u will stay there(bundus) for the rest of ur life :)
Awe, leave Dali alone it's her choice to live the "simple life"

awelani
17 Mar 2009 09:19

TDC, that's the truth and you know it.

LOL @ Nonny,,

cleve
17 Mar 2009 09:22

Cope is the ANC's baby, >>> Thats a shallow statement.

It's so the truth!!!!!!!!!

dali
17 Mar 2009 09:22

wa tiva awe neh i love da bundus like crazy

for me there is no place better than home if i were to move from home id have to come home like evryweekend so id rather stay home. whose gonna look afta da farm if i go, shame ma uncle would have a heart attack.

giyani ya rocka!

Toodecent
17 Mar 2009 09:23

Another shallow statement Awelani..

TheLady
17 Mar 2009 09:23

I'm voting for the soccer party/the kiss party...LOL...are these still around?

I'm thinking better the devil you know...noma nje udevil lo enezingelosi ezintsha with new torture strategies...hmmm engathi nami on the 22nd I'll be in bed with a good book.

TheLady
17 Mar 2009 09:25

giyani ya rocka!..LOL dali wa rocka

awelani
17 Mar 2009 09:29

tdc....., lemme leave u alone bosss

lol @ Dali..Dali wa rocka for sure,lol

Nonny
17 Mar 2009 09:31

hmmm engathi nami on the 22nd I'll be in bed with a good book.
Mina guys, the 22nd is just one more reason to love all the public holidays that April has, phela it's my favourite month of the year (next to December and my birth month).........LOL

awelani
17 Mar 2009 09:31

I have a Question to BA and those who would have left if they were also @ chuch(Rhema) this past Sunday.....Had it been Mr Dandala(cope) who went to podium, would you have left??? or would have stayed bcos the dude used to be a man of God??

maddie
17 Mar 2009 09:33

Another shallow statement Awelani
@tdc

so awelani what u're saying is that COPE is as corrupt as ANC.

To be honest with you people I really don't understand what the fuss is all about, about the formation of COPE.

If my history knowledge serves me well there are so many parties globally that came from other parties. even locally, the UDM from the ANC, IFP from ANC, ID from PAC, DA from NP.

there was no party that was a real competition for the ANC, and I remember most analysts were saying that the only competition for the ANC will come from the ANC itself.

eintlik le batlang, wena Nonny and the crew that wont vote, whoever comes to power after amaelections, i dont want to hear any complaints from u guys, u'll have no right to complain

Ms. Jay
17 Mar 2009 09:37

am tired of politics - noo 2 people will ever agree on it thats why its a game - its on going....Dali wa rocka fo sho - the simple things in life mean alot

cool one
17 Mar 2009 09:38

Awelani, their surnames are Holomisa and Buthelezi they don't read speeches written by some else. If you wrote the speech yourself you wo'nt stare at it from the beginning to end.

Best-Achiever
17 Mar 2009 09:39

Had it been Mr Dandala(cope) who went to podium, would you have left??? or would have stayed bcos the dude used to be a man of God??

well awelani i left when JZ started campaining NOT because it was JZ, so whether it was Dandala, Zille, Moshoeshoe or any other political party leader who went to the podium and started campaining i would have left, if he only went there for elections peace prayer, i wouldnt have left.

awelani
17 Mar 2009 09:41

@maddie,, um saying the ANC didnt start being corrupt last yr, it has always been corrupt and those who went and formed a new club were/are just as corrupt,,My guess is they wanted a BIGGER piece of the pie, corrput pie @ that, but could not get it, so they thought of forming their own club. WHY didnt they leave the ANC years ago??? Y only now?? If they are not corrupt now, they will be in the near future, they know all the Do's and Donts on corruption..

myname
17 Mar 2009 09:43

i like you maddie

awelani
17 Mar 2009 09:44

@Cool1: what daz knowing English or memorising and reciting a speach in English has anything to do with being the president again??? if he wana read a peace of paper written by sum1 else let him be, as long as he told that person what to write, right???

maddie
17 Mar 2009 09:45

um saying the ANC didnt start being corrupt last yr, it has always been corrupt and those who went and formed a new club were/are just as corrupt,,

so u agree that the ANC u're going to vote for is corrupt.

those who went and formed a new club were/are just as corrupt>> do u have proof Awe?

awelani
17 Mar 2009 09:46

hau, Myname, i thot u liked me?? what changed?? lol

@BA, um tempted to tell u, unamanga,

Toodecent
17 Mar 2009 09:48

so u agree that the ANC u're going to vote for is corrupt.>>>>

On that note Julius also admitted that he is liccking ass of a corrupt boss' We want Zuma corrupt or not'

One and Only
17 Mar 2009 09:49

This is the reason why I quit going to church and decided to pray on my own, most churches have converted God-fearing men and women to low-life sinners.

Money is thicker than religion ,there's no differentiation between the brothel and the church anymore both are profit driven with brothel being better as you sometimes have an option who you sleep with. Rape is a serious criminal offense in this country but people still force themselves on other and get away with it.

Worshippers go to church to satisfy their spiritual needs through interacting with God, mind you most people reserve Sundays for this purpose. Some close their businesses, some miss soccer matches, some do not go to work, some skip movies, some don't see their partners. I'm sure some would have stayed home or went to worship at other churches if were informed well in advance.

Why the COPE guys didn't make changes while they were still with the ANC? Come on now, if you and you partner were married COP and have seen that there's no future but divorce with that individual would you still continue acquiring assets under one estate or would you start saving up for the worst to come?

Would it be fair if I say you are an Alcoholic, Illiterate, Stupid, Doctor, Teacher, Whore etc because your parents are? That reasoning should only apply in plants/animals as potato seed cannot bear spinach, chicken cannot give birth to cow as well.

Nonny
17 Mar 2009 09:50

eintlik le batlang, wena Nonny and the crew that wont vote, whoever comes to power after amaelections, i dont want to hear any complaints from u guys, u'll have no right to complain
Maddie at the end of he day, I'm not going to just for the sake of voting, I mean I don't have a party I'd like to vote for and that is the honest truth and if that means I have to be content with whatever the elections outcome is, then so be it, at the end of the day it's still better than voting for a party I don't believe in.

well awelani i left when JZ started campaining NOT because it was JZ, so whether it was Dandala, Zille, Moshoeshoe or any other political party leader who went to the podium and started campaining i would have left, if he only went there for elections peace prayer, i wouldnt have left.
Thanks BA, I am sure this answer satisfies Awelani............right?

awelani
17 Mar 2009 09:53

Maddie, everybody knows that there are shaddy bizness happening in the ANC

.....do u have proof Awe? what do u get whehn lie with dogs?? u get fleas right?? the corruptivity(dont judge me,lol) has rubbed off on them..I aks again, Y didnt they leave the ANC the MOMENT they found out about the shaddy dealings within the party, Y did they wit for soooo long,, becos they were also getting something from those dealings.

Cande
17 Mar 2009 09:53

HOW i wish this damn elections could come & go.

Best-Achiever
17 Mar 2009 09:55

@BA, um tempted to tell u, unamanga,

Well awelani that's your choice, you asked me and i answered you i dint realise that you already have an answer for your question and unfortunnately i dont have your mind, that's why i only answered on What i would have done NOT what you expected me to.

monchooza
17 Mar 2009 09:57

JZ can go where ever he wants....Mina I am Just COPE'ing...mara he better kay off my church...kunganyiwa....LOL

awelani
17 Mar 2009 09:58

Okay guys, can we put this discussion to rest already?? we can tok politcs until the 22 of April and beyond,, so lets just agree to disagree blockers..

lol @ Cande, which society club are you voting for? lol

Best-Achiever
17 Mar 2009 09:58

Thanks BA, I am sure this answer satisfies Awelani............right?
unfortunately Nonny, awelani expected me to say the opposite ...LOL

maddie
17 Mar 2009 09:59

Would it be fair if I say you are an Alcoholic, Illiterate, Stupid, Doctor, Teacher, Whore etc because your parents are? That reasoning should only apply in plants/animals as potato seed cannot bear spinach, chicken cannot give birth to cow as well. @ oNE and Only

this is really wise my dear, I love people who can see beyond rhetoric, and irrational statements.

this is exactly what the ANC is using to get the masses to vote for them, saying that cope is for the elite, but they drive posh cars, and live in suburbs etc.

Cande
17 Mar 2009 10:00

yes man agree to disagree, if we could vote for individuals i will vote Helen Zillle wena Awelani, maara ngoku we voting for political parties & i dont know who to vote for. 1 thing am clear about is who to NOT vote for.

Nonny
17 Mar 2009 10:02

Would it be fair if I say you are an Alcoholic, Illiterate, Stupid, Doctor, Teacher, Whore etc because your parents are? That reasoning should only apply in plants/animals as potato seed cannot bear spinach, chicken cannot give birth to cow as well.
OMG is that THEEEEEEEEEEEE One and Only, I hope that u have come right after ur last article, coz u are making so much sense, and really gal I'm sure ur granny was just angry & not thinking staright when she said (neither God nor Satan wants u). Keep up the positive attitude and just embrace life.

maddie
17 Mar 2009 10:03

do u have proof Awe?

don't go around making statements that u have no proof of, just to get ur point across, seriously u should be smarter than that.

Okay guys, can we put this discussion to rest already?? we can tok politcs until the 22 of April

and now u want to run away

Mambox
17 Mar 2009 10:05

I was there at the church...it was a horrible experience!!! to the people who were there, did you see how pastor Ray Hung his head in shame when Zuma spoke and people started leaving. i myself left 30 mins into the speach...Yes maybe Rhema should allow politians to come bazokhankasela amavotes BUT NOT DURING THE SERVICE PLEASE!!

The timing was just wrong...I'm never going there again, i'm church hunting...Fluffyhead where are you? you helped me last time ek soek n nuwe kerk mense!!!

Best-Achiever
17 Mar 2009 10:05

I'm sure ur granny was just angry & not thinking staright when she said (neither God nor Satan wants u). Keep
eish Nonny ...LOL

TheLady
17 Mar 2009 10:06

"HOW i wish this damn elections could come & go. " Me too Cande

dali
17 Mar 2009 10:06

1 and only is alive!

praise gaad!

awelani
17 Mar 2009 10:07

@BA,, askies, wasnt suppose to judge u ma sister. sorry.

@maddie,, i think its better we put this matter to rest b4 we start calling each other names,, cant you make an arguement without insulting others??

@Cande..i get you,, nami i know who NOT to vote for.

now please, can we ove on to another article...assomblief.

Best-Achiever
17 Mar 2009 10:08

was there at the church...it was a horrible experience!!! to the people who were there, did you see how pastor Ray Hung his head in shame when Zuma spoke and people started leaving. i myself left 30 mins into the speach...Yes maybe Rhema should allow politians to come bazokhankasela amavotes BUT NOT DURING THE SERVICE PLEASE!!

The timing was just wrong..

exactly Mambox ... itwas so so wrong

Best-Achiever
17 Mar 2009 10:10

@BA,, askies, wasnt suppose to judge u ma sister. sorry.
No problem awelani

awelani
17 Mar 2009 10:10

@Maddie, um not running away,, I have been on this article since yesterday, so um kinda tired of it, time to move on to another one... once again,,can u stop with the insults please,, 2day um not in the mood for a cyber fight,,please. U will see me when i wana fight, so please lay off...

myname
17 Mar 2009 10:11

hau, Myname, i thot u liked me?? what changed?? lol I will always like u standwa sam but now i disagree with u

Now im thinking, maybe next week Mr Shower man is going to visit ZCC, Catholic or Zion. They will do anything......maybe Helen is going to visit Thembisa, shake hands & kiss the 89yrs old magogo.

But as much as i hate 2 say this, Zuma will win the elections with or without a prayer.

cool one
17 Mar 2009 10:13

Awelani, we can see that you are an ANC supporter there is not need to defend them you this is just politics a dagerous game, stay away from them my children.

awelani
17 Mar 2009 10:13

and i still like you too Myname.

Cande
17 Mar 2009 10:15

Yes man the ANC will win the damn elections but not with the 2/3 majority anymo..Can we move on already

awelani
17 Mar 2009 10:15

vele they are dangerous Cool1,, they made the man God turn his bek on God.

Nonny
17 Mar 2009 10:16

and now u want to run away
LOL at Maddie...............atleast tell her to run to ur interesting article which keeps getting hidden by this one.....LOL

The timing was just wrong...I'm never going there again, i'm church hunting...Fluffyhead where are you? you helped me last time ek soek n nuwe kerk mense!!!
Maybe u should consider a non-famous & simple church, the chances of politicians making an "appearance" there are slimmer.

monchooza
17 Mar 2009 10:18

The only thing that will make me to go and vote is not seeing a long Queue(sp) I cant stand long queues

awelani
17 Mar 2009 10:19

which 1 Nonny, link please.

FTR,, UM NOT RUNNING AWAY FROM ANYTHING OR ANY1,,, NDO NETA NGA U AMBA NGA DZI POLOTIKI!!!!!!!!!

myname
17 Mar 2009 10:19

Cande did u watch SC?

Nonny
17 Mar 2009 10:20

But as much as i hate 2 say this, Zuma will win the elections with or without a prayer.
Eish................the possibility of this statement being true scares me.

Lekese
17 Mar 2009 10:20

just picture Madiba attending the service, and the service just close without being given the podium

and that is exactly what happened on 8 March 2009. Madiba attended the service at Berea Methodist Church in Houghton, he did not speak and left after the service. Because you know what, he was at church to worship!

awelani
17 Mar 2009 10:21

nonny,, Link Please!!!!!!

cleve
17 Mar 2009 10:23

@ Cool one, I don't think Awelani is an ANC supporter. I think she is confused on what to vote for because it seems like voting for Cope is just voting for the same government who have been governing this country since post aphartheid.

Nonny
17 Mar 2009 10:24

This one Awelani!!!!

Cande
17 Mar 2009 10:27

No Myname i didnt, but Moagisi will be recapping it later today

awelani
17 Mar 2009 10:27

Kanti u mean that 1 Nonny?? um tired of politics 2day, I need something else. Thanx for trying to lure me thou, LOL

Nonny
17 Mar 2009 10:30

hamb'ofa Awelani!!!

SmartGuy
17 Mar 2009 12:46

I think Pastor Gedlemhlekisa is coming agen next Sunday, he will be singing Mshini wam in English this time, hoping mshini wam won't be boring this time around, people must not much out, he will also ask the congregants to pray for peaceful CNA elections, ha ha.
Its so unfotunate that the elections are not on sunday, otherwise that congr..should be added in the list of voting stations.
for the previous campaign I think he was suppose to have sent a note that churches must pray for the next coming elections only, not public/indirect campaign.
may be the holly spirit was there!!!!!!

nice
17 Mar 2009 17:45

http://www.news24.com/News24/Elections/News/0,,2-2478-2479_2486964,00.html

UDM requests Rhema audience

Johannesburg -United Democratic Movement leader Bantu Holomisa has written to the Rhema Church requesting to address its congregation.

see what they have now done? next it will be DA, IFP, KISS, SOCCER, PAC, COPE and ACDP and the rest of them parties requiring an audiences

Amza
17 Mar 2009 18:11

SOCCER? Lol...

Bra Bizza
17 Mar 2009 18:22

Dear Confused Christian,

Clearly you are one confused Christian...i suggest you try to get a life by reading your Bible and praying for guidance.....the ANC has since the inception of democracy since 94 visit big churches such as ZCC,IPCC,Shembe et al....Mandela did it,Mbeki did it and Zuma just done did it.

Just because Rhema is a church attended by snobs like you y'all feel its not right for him to ask the church to pray for the nation at these testing times....why didn't you say it when he went to other big churches.

Brown Shuga
17 Mar 2009 18:27

<<<United Democratic Movement leader Bantu Holomisa has written to the Rhema Church requesting to address its congregation>>>> Hahahahahahah this is EXACTLY what Julius Malema has been saying.

Juju said these opposition parties are not original, they always wait to see what the ANC does and thereafter "react". H

Bra Bizza
17 Mar 2009 18:40

@Shugs....problem is there's a "educated section" of this population who undermines Zuma based on the mistakes he has done....to make the matter worse people who believe in the Word...shamefully display ignorance of the very same Word they claim to be living...i've long said people have turned faith into a lifestyle...."i have to go to church cause its sunday"

Green.arrow
17 Mar 2009 18:42

"Johannesburg -United Democratic Movement leader Bantu Holomisa has written to the Rhema Church requesting to address its congregation."....nkosi!!!!

Green.arrow
17 Mar 2009 18:45

Bra Biza...as a christian...what u are saying is convicting me ryt now.....

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