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Out of tune with culture.

Written by Renegade from the blog ReneDays on 30 Jan 2008
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Born and raised in Gauteng, I am ashamed to say I am not very in touch with my roots, so to speak. But when I started varsity, I met a lot of people, and was forced to start asking myself some questions. Needless to say, I’m still getting there. But recently, a cultural rock was thrown at me, which has led to my writing this article.

Last year, I started working, and around May, I met someone who works in a different department, and we hit it off. Being straight out of varsity, I wasn’t looking for anything serious, and was sure I wouldn’t get emotionally connected here. But as I’m sure a lot of ladies can agree with me, I was soon whipped. The problem here was that this guy has a kid, and with a kid there’s always a baby momma. He told me about them, they live in KZN, and so I thought, agh, what the hell. A friend of mine actually warned me not to get involved with a guy who has a kid, coz apparently there’s always some sort of baby momma drama.

I’m sure you asking what this has to do with culture…its coming. In December, he had to attend a family funeral, and when he came back, he told me there was something serious we needed to talk about. It took him about 3 weeks to finally tell me this serious thing, and by this time, I had decided to follow my head and break up with him for other reasons (long story), although my heart is still very much with him.

Anyway, when we finally sat down to talk last week, he told me his family was pressuring him to marry his baby’s mother. They told him the cows were ready, and even set a date for him to go pay lobola. The problem is that he doesn’t want to do it. I asked why, and he said, “I don’t love her”, but he couldn’t tell them that, because as far as they know, they are still together.
He then asked me what I think, and I told him that I don’t understand how a grown man like him can be told who and when to marry, which is when he said I’d never understand because I’m a Jozi girl. He also stressed that his family is very traditional, so it makes it all the more difficult. And he wasn’t being asked whether he was ready to marry, he was being told to go off and marry.

Now, I’m Venda, and I really am not sure whether these things happen in venda, or any other ethnic group, but I respect culture, and I’m not ready to get married, so if I tell him not to get married, its not like I’m gonna marry him. And who’s to say me and him are gonna last anyway? So I told him that we should break up, but he doesn’t want us to. Basically, he says he’s confused and doesn’t know what to do. 

But on the other hand, I find myself wondering how much of this is indeed a culture thing? Surely no one wants anyone to enter into a loveless marriage? Hai, mina I don't know really.

The funny thing though is that I’m not in pain, all my friends are amazed by this, but I think the fact that he doesn’t want it is consoling me, even if he ends up doing it…I don’t know, its twisted.

So my questions are:
Does it still happen that people are forced to marry someone?
Is this a zulu thing or just general?
If you were me, what would you do?



151 Comments

Renegade
30 Jan 2008 02:59

I messed up the blurp image again...oopsie

tshepiso
30 Jan 2008 03:16

oh! great u are a Venda girl and u ask if tradition is being practice in Venda, stop it makhadzi.you watching mvango every single day but still ask that rubbish, "sigh"
o seke wa iphatlha ka mafoko.

pullie
30 Jan 2008 03:22

eishh gal.. some pple shld i say r stil 2 cultured but if i was tha guy i'l tel my family 2 go 2 hell... arranged marriages dnt work nowadays, tha guy can stil take care of their baby without them getting married!
atleast ur not in2 tha guy, so just leav him 2 go & hang himself in tht marriage!

Renegade
30 Jan 2008 03:25

Eish bathong tshepiso, whats you story, couldn't you just keep quiete if you had nothing sensible to say. 
No1, I'm not a makhadzi, seka bowa things you know nothing about.
No 2. I dont watch muvhango.

Eish, u actually irritatin me, i dont even know why i'm gracing you with a reply

Nonny
30 Jan 2008 03:27

Lem me start reading, phela ngiyazithanda ezamasiko!!!

monchooza
30 Jan 2008 03:34

this is the 21st century

pullie
30 Jan 2008 03:34

thanx tshepiso...i ddnt wanna say tha obvious!

belz
30 Jan 2008 03:35

Eish Rene, i think you gonna have problems with this guy seeing as he cant make his own decisions, i'll be back now to try and explain the cultural side of this.

awelani
30 Jan 2008 03:39

how old is this guy to be told what he shuld with his lyf?? where in world are they still forcing 1 2 get married 2 some1 that u dont lav, ur guy needs to stand up for himself, unless ofcourse he is lying 2 u, he really wana marry the baby mama and he just using tradition and his parents as an xcuse.  daz the baby mama know about all this lobola thing, if so what daz she say.

felfel
30 Jan 2008 03:42

This sounds like something thats just too much to handle, first of all you have already distanced urself from this thing emotionally (should the brother go through with it) and thats good for ur emotional sanity.
Surely this man must have known this was coming at some stage, families don't just do these kind of things without an uncle/father hinting at it now and then. It doesn't make sense that his family is pressuring him to marry, you might find that the girl's family visited the guys family and said that he must do right by their daughter with marriage since he has 'destroyed' her (by making her preggies) so ke he mite as well marry her.
I don't think its necessarily culture or tradition more than its just a case of backwaards families who refuse to move with the times.
You can't make the decision for him and you also can't influence his decision unless you planning to get serious with him and marry him in time

tshepiso
30 Jan 2008 03:44

Does it still happen that people are forced to marry someone? 
maybe in Venda no here.
Is this a zulu thing or just general? 
 100%Venda thing, remember Thandazo % Ndalamo
If you were me, what would you do? 
follow my heart

azHOT
30 Jan 2008 03:53

its tricky-this kinda thing!!! i don't think Zulu culture "forces" any one into marriage but there are certain aspects where the family is greatly involved in your life. i certainly wouldn't marry someone i didn't want to spend the rest of my life with and I know my family wouold never ask me to because my happiness is important to them.

your boyfriend could be lying or could come from a really premitive family in which case he has known all along about this =it can't be some thing new. you need to do waht serves Rene best. Good luck

Nonny
30 Jan 2008 03:54

Renegade I am 100% Zulu, if not 200% more and this story of being pressured to marry ur baby mama seldom happens.............that's all I'm sayin'!!!!

Renegade
30 Jan 2008 03:56

@felfel. The reason I shared this was so I could see if maybe I just dont know about these things cause I'm not really in touch with tradition/culture. Also, I wanted to see what you guys think so that nami i could open my mind in asking the right questions. And right now, there are so many things I didn't ask, which i'm only gonna be asking the next time I see him.(I guess i was in too much shock when he was relaying his story). So ya, thanks for that

@tshepiso, i know these things dont happen in gauteng, I'm talking about rural areas, since thats where this is happening. And like I said, I dont really watch Muvhango

@belz. My othe friend said exactly that, i feel you on that.

azHOT
30 Jan 2008 03:57

@Tshepiso= the lives of  Venda people are not neccessarily potrayed by Muvhango. Like in all cultures you find people who are still subscribing to the ways of old and those who are not.

@Pullie=what would be so obvious?

Nonny
30 Jan 2008 03:57

Renegade - also keep in mind that he may be lying about being pressured and it's probablly what he wants. There is a possibilty that he is just trying to compensate that he will leave u for his baby mama and he doesn't want u to hate him for that, vuka mfethu isemhlabeni lana and futhi thina maZulu siyakwazi ukushayashayana ngesikelemu at TIMES!!!!

tizoz
30 Jan 2008 04:01

Okay first things first this is not just a zulu thing it happens in every culture including the venda culture. as much as you agree you are not in tune with ure culture how would you know it doesnt happen with ure peeps. with each and every south african culture there are still practices that as urban people you guys think are so last year but for people practising them there is nothing wrong with what they are doing. they are just doing what they believe in. Get in tune with ure culture and you will appreciate aht is happening out there. that sort of thing u aint going to learn it from a book.

Tweet
30 Jan 2008 04:01

I don't think anyone can tell me what to do especially regarding marrying somoene I don't want to commit myself to. I find it hard to believe how u can be pushed around by anyone into doing something you don't wanna do. How does that happen? Your life being controlled by your family and also allow them to control you. Clearly he can't stand up for himself and I'm sure u don't wanna be with that kind of person in life.

I deeply feel that he wants to marry this baby mama.......Eish!...maybe I'm also out of tune with culture. Kodwa hhayi bo! I don't believe this.

Nonny
30 Jan 2008 04:09

Mina I still say UNAMANGA, there is no pressure he is just dumping u in a polite way, so that u will always be in good terms, musa ukudlala imbodla endala wena!!!!

madomado
30 Jan 2008 04:09

Dear Renegade.

You are young, beautiful and independent. And most importantly, you are a princess. Although it is going to take you some time to really make up your mind about what you want in a man and in life in general, you are somehow, oneday, gonna find your prince and you'll be happy. Right now, I think you have other important things you need to dedicate your thinking to - for instance, your career. As a young black educated woman, there's 90% possibility that you are considering having your own business, investing in property, or travelling. At this stage in your life, it's supposed to be all about you. What ever decision you make - make sure it's about you - your happiness.

 As for Mr they-want-me-to-marry yena, it's high time he starts making some serious soul searching and taking some critical choices in his life.
1. He had a child with a woman and left her in KZN & moved to Jhb.
2. As traditional as he knows his family to be, he got on with them and *forgot* to mention to them that he's no longer with his baby's mother.
3. He took 3 weeks to break it down to you that he's been told to get married to someone else.
4. He's struggling to get to terms with the fact that he loves you and not the other lady and stand up to his family about that.

From all this, I can conclude that, 
1. He's not ready for marriage, nje, kwayena. 
2. He has no backbone.
3. He doesnt love you enough. A man who's trully in love never asks you what you think. He so maar does things to show you how much he loves you. If he was really in love with you, he could have said no to his family, and told you straight up, that he's been asked to marry the other girl but he's not gon do it coz he wants to do it.

Dont make decisions for him, girlfriend. Think very carefully if he's really the kind of person you want to waste your dreams on. The fact that he took three weeks to tell you something this critical means it is still an option in his mind. He's not man enough. 

Excuse me if im being biased, people, I'm a woman and i believe strongly in girl-pride.

Rene, babes, dont waste you dreams on something that is not really worth it. He should be telling you what he wants to do, not asking you what you think he should do. They say love is all things, but the one thing that it is not, is unsure

Let him make up his mind. It's his business afterall. You dont know a single thing about tradition. 

That's where i'll stop.

All the best.
The mad one.

Mathaz
30 Jan 2008 04:09

He used you, just let him go.  You are worth more than that.

Gucci
30 Jan 2008 04:13

Renegade - I dont think this guy has ever broken up with his Baby Mama, how often did/do u see him? Reason why I ask is I wonna know if there's a possibility of the Baby Momma visiting him in Jozi. If not, how often does he go back home (KwaZulu)? Ur answer lies there...

If your answer leads to you suspecting that there was/is something going on between the two.....then the Brother is lying, no doubts about that!

If otherwise, hayi I must say andazi bt ke the Festive mood can do wonders if u ask me.

I aint No Zulu but hey, the times have moved.

One other thing Guys: Please make sure that when u are in a serious relationship (I mean, the one whereby when u see ur partner, u see a wife/hubby), u must open up ur eyes, know the Man's roots. I realy dont knw how u can do this one, but hey u must be very nosy...I tell u!!!


 

sponono
30 Jan 2008 04:14

Does it still happen that people are forced to marry someone? ......
this happens in almost all cultures, just becasue you havent witnessed it doesnt mean it doesnt happen....and basically people agree becasue of their 1.upbringing..e.g if they've always feared their parents 
2.their personality..e.g if they are walk-overs or people pleasers  or not assertive enough 
3. sometimes reasons are calculated, e.g could be a financially viable move...or a case of have your cake and eat it...e.g he can get married and still see other epole and everyone will be happy. 
4. sometimes people agree to it hoping that they'll learn to love the person or they feel sorry for them (and the kids)
Is this a zulu thing or just general?
 NO  this is an OLd story  English peeople used to say "do the right thing by her"  or something along those lines  meaning marry her cause she's preggars and no one's gotta have her....its a very OLD SCHOOL mentality..which I wouldnt say doesnt have its own advantages..its just that our generation is not used to it...(espesh Jozi girls like you hi hi hi LOL)
If you were me, what would you do?...
well since you dont really have strong feelings and you said you wanted to break up for other reasons, I think you should let him decide and dont be judgemental about it  and stop making it  a Zulu thing to him...just respect his decision espesh since he was honest with you...in fact if he decides to marry her ..you can still see him casue he doesnt love her (thats the evil part in me) and you wont have the burden of his proposal to you casue youre not ready for it...If he doesnt marry her...make sure you let him know that he must NOT take that decision with the hope that you'll marry him cause youre not ready..otherwise..this is all very normal...surely you've heared of arranged marriages in Indian communities even though the context might be different the idea is the same 

tshepiso..your replies mmmhhh.....

felfel
30 Jan 2008 04:15

@madomado - hayi you nailed it shame, lomuntu lacks honesty qha ke and thinks that he can play with Rene' by making her think that she's important to him when he asks her what he should do. 

cocktail
30 Jan 2008 04:15

yes Tizoz my dear i agree with ya,in RURAL areas it happens that ppl get forced to marry ppl even if they dont love them,so just becas it does nt happen in Jozi it does nt mean that it does not exist,n its not a Zulu thing,its a black culture thing,venda,zulu,xhosa,basotho do that,dont be such coconuts ppl.......Rene its up to yo man sisi, he knows exactly what his suppose to do............

KeleFabulous
30 Jan 2008 04:15

haai Rene good luck with this one. it seems thou that u still love this guy. from reading this i get the feeling u wanted to break it off because u were feeling he was about to do just that and u wanted to beat him to it. and you not feeling anything right now, it's only because he hasn't actually taken any stand. trust me u'll feel something when he comes and tells u he's made a decision...

the only thing u can do at this point i guess would be to reassure him that u love him but that this decision is his and only his. i think it wud be trivial if u tried to "prove" ur love or why he shud choose u at this stage. 

and it's not about being told what to do by his family. we all know how hard it is to disobey our parents and uncles even when we don't want to do what they ask mara this is a big one because it affects everyone, yourself incl., and whatever he decides, won't be temporary...

Tweet
30 Jan 2008 04:15

"He used you, just let him go".........itjo!

Gucci
30 Jan 2008 04:19

*high five* to u Madomado.....U'RE SPOT ON!!!!

Tweet
30 Jan 2008 04:21

Nonny
30 Jan 2008 04:22

mmmmmmmmmhhhhhhhh Amen bloggers, Kele, Spopo, Madomado, Gucci and all, who needs Dr Phil when we have u guys, cha shem nginithulela isiqoko!!!!

Renegade
30 Jan 2008 04:26

Just to be clear, I'm not making it a zulu thing at all, jst asking. 

The sensible thing to do was to break up with him vele, but that was following my head and not my heart.

Eish Madomado, you break it down so realistically. Vele mina I don't want to make the decision for him, in fact, you right, the fact that he feels he has to make a decision is a decision on its own.

@Gucci, He goes home once a month. I see him most weekends, I dont think she comes here, but when he goes there, I can't really know whats been happening. I think the reality that he might be lying is lingering somewhere in the back of my mind, its just hard to accept.

@Sponono: With him, its probably "upbringing", coz he kept talking about how i jst dont understand what his family's like.

Renegade
30 Jan 2008 04:32

@Kele, you right, I do still love him, its just that I realise that he's not good for me, but obviously, its never been that simple. 

@tizoz, i'm not saying it doesnt happen with my peeps, i'm saying i ddnt know it happens at all. 

The more I read your guys replies the more moronic I feel. So many things just don't seem to add up, and asking him wont help, coz if he's lying, he'll just stick to his story.

faraimagic
30 Jan 2008 04:35

yho...scandal!

faraimagic
30 Jan 2008 04:36

yho...scandal!

madomado
30 Jan 2008 04:38

correction:
3. He doesnt love you enough. A man who's trully in love never asks you what you think. He so maar does things to show you how much he loves you. If he was really in love with you, he could have said no to his family, and told you straight up, that he's been asked to marry the other girl but he's not gon do it coz he wants to be with you.

And if he loves u as much as he claims to, he should speak your language - i.e. explain all this in a less-traditional sense, so that you can understand. He shouldnt just have one reason & one reason only - "it's culture" - you dont know what that means. 

Though Kele says, we all know how difficult it is to disobey our uncles & parents. - mna I think it could have been very strong and courageous of him to say to you as soon as he got back from home that: 
"Rene, my lahv, at home , they want me to marry Siphokazi,  because it's cultural to do so. I told them I'll think about it, but hey.. I dont know how i'm gon get around this one. But eish, i'll make a plan - i'm a man - i'll find a way. They dont understand that having a child with uSphokaz ws izinto zobuntwana, njee... i'v moved on with life. I have a beautiful venda princess now (kiss you on the forehead)."

In that way, he'd have assured you that he loves you and even though he has no idea how he's gon face his parents, you shouldn't feel insecure. 
Now, he's done the opposite. He's offloaded all the stress onto you and made you think you are not that important afterall.

sponono
30 Jan 2008 05:04

Madomado...LOL ..a man-bashing feminist  ...mhhh no you're not...LOL
otherwise...peeps dont be too hard on this ou...Renegade as an adult..irrespective of her gender...made a decision at some point to continue a relationsip with  someones baby's daddy...yes he told her weeks later...thats what happens in relationships you dont just read-out your cv first week..hawu...even you girls...Yes he's asking her what to do...NOT becasue he doesnt love her...Y'all dont know this....he might really be confused and the first person he thought of telling is her...(we all find ourselves in this situations, weher we know LOVe is NOT everything and you have to weigh your options, instead of blidnly saying...I'm not gonna do this or I'll do that becasue of love...thats very much in soapland...

the bottomline is women (supposedly trying to support each other) are quick to make each other feel like they have a scumbag on their hands, When They have the power to decide....ALONE.....as for this concept of someone using you...eish I dont believe it I think its a misused/overused expression, as people we have the Will and the ability to decide and choose what we will live with...both men and woman..I think Renegade continued becasue there was something she was getting, even if its not financial or whateva...and when she felt she's not getting what she wants she thought she should break up with him...and I dont see where He "used her"...

KJ
30 Jan 2008 05:35

I hear you gal! its simple, okey maybe not that simple. leave him. a year from now, you will asking yourself " what was I thinking dating him", and saying "thank God i left him, when you find yourself a good man with no baby mamma drama.  

its hard dating someone with a baby mamma,coz its never just about the two of you, its him, you, the baby and the mother. a relationship that involves 4 people, can neva work. just my opinion!

tizoz
30 Jan 2008 05:46

haai Rene good luck with this one. it seems thou that u still love this guy. from reading this i get the feeling u wanted to break it off because u were feeling he was about to do just that and u wanted to beat him to it ............... talk about calling a spade a spade, why ningenazwelo ngomunye untwana! KeFab kanti unjani di you have to tell it like it is?

Tynt!
30 Jan 2008 06:00

Yoh! This is deep. LOl: 
ur story reminds me of ma fwend who got married 2 a womaniser. He got a 20yrs old pregnant and his family supported him on paying the damages. I mean HELLO: they r supporting him 2 ruin his marriage. I say its crap, what happened 2 luv:

Yes amasiko aya landelwa en advices r there 2 be given, but @ the end its 4 u 2 decide. Follow ur heart ( en dnt 4rgt ur brains, they rili work hey)

As of ur man: He is a looser, I mean he jst lost u (dare)

We shud neva let thez men oppress us….
Dump dat Ass, en focus on urself (ur long tym goals)


Nonny
30 Jan 2008 06:16

Tizoz, why engathi ubona inkinga la ingekho khona??? Personally I find Kele's response highly appropriate and futhi I don't hear Rene complaining!!!!

tshepiso
30 Jan 2008 06:22

Renegade stated @Gucci, He goes home once a month. I see him most weekends, I dont think she comes here, but when he goes there, I can't really know whats been happening. I think the reality that he might be lying is lingering somewhere in the back of my mind, its just hard to accept. 

you act more rural too, only uncivilised, uneducated rural lady sees their lovers weekends only. try to work more on yourself before your insecurities chases Peter away.

Jordan
30 Jan 2008 06:27

I haven’t read the replies so if you guys crucify me for repeating y’alls replies, just remember what they say about sticks and stones:)

Jozi girl!! if you ever watched “distori” (Bophelo ke Semphekgo; Matswakabele etc.), you should realise that they were not only about bad hair and terrible dress sense (although they rocked then). They actually carry life’s lessons. Basically ba go shapile ka CLASSIC! A girl in the rural KZN probably not take that crap of an excuse, so it’s got nothing to do with whether you are a “Jozi girl” or not. It has to do with what you want. Look, I hope I am wrong... but I am most probably not!! Use it, don’t use it, I won’t judge. Good Luck!!

Amazing
30 Jan 2008 06:39

I haven't read all of the replies so someone might have mentioned what I'm about to write. Lomfana uku jwayela kabi to put it lightly, uyakudelela. He's insulting your intelligence.

It's quite clear this baby mama has always been in the picture. He had no desire to leave her for you. He wants to have your provebial cake and eat hers too. He must just stay out of your life. 

This thing is becoming a serious epidermic in this country. Kanti hini inkinga yama doda. Can't a brother just come out and say, "I'm attached but I still want you." That way you can decide whether you want that type of stress in your life and not be forced into it.

madomado
30 Jan 2008 06:40

Dear Tshepiso

People blog for different reasons.
1. to pass time, a day at work can be long sometimes. Finding something else to do besides work, helps.
2. to make friends
3. to network
4. to create a circle where they can be themselves without being judged, where they can expressed their feelings without any fear.
5. to close the gap. Not all of us have got platforms where we can vent our frustration. Going mad behind the keyboard may be the only remedy.

Because we have these different reasons, no one, and i repeat, nobody has any right whatsoever to traumatise any other body or put anyone in any kind of a tight position.

I will not quetion your reasons for being here..you know it and I have no right whatsoever to make you feel unwelcome. 

All I can say is, as much as blogging doesnt really define the person that you are. It says a lot about you as a person. For the mere fact that you can put your fingers on that keyboard and say the things that you say, it tells people a lot about you. 

I hope you find closure to your situation...
madomado
 

myname
30 Jan 2008 06:42

yho ppl can talk anyway Rene mna i wish u all the best my luv and remember ur happiness is important & if u r not happy u r more like an empty box

madomado
30 Jan 2008 06:42

@renegade

You are a three course meal. - Some people prefer takeaways. Show them the nearest fast-food outlet.

sponono
30 Jan 2008 06:48

Madomado...someone had to say it...thank you...i just didnt  have the energy to highlight this to mtsepana.....so I just read her replies and sigh!!!!

Best-Achiever
30 Jan 2008 06:48

tjo Tsepiso ... what you have just said is out of line, its not all of us who do fatnsit and it all depend on personal preferences, schedule and commitments!

myname
30 Jan 2008 06:49

@ madomado im faling inluv with u my darling dankie nhe. And Rene if believe If a man doesn't want you, nothing can make him stay

Toodecent
30 Jan 2008 06:50

Dear madomado

You took words out of my mouth and put them in an awesome way, I have been looking around not knowing what to say because one blogger wrote to my seniors about me desliking them to the extent that I attack and delete their replies which I did because of replies being the same as the one you replied to( *laughs* huuuuuuuuuuwieee) 
Glad to have bloggers such as you.

TDC
Moderator.

madomado
30 Jan 2008 06:53

Thank you, Sposh.


@Tshepiso you act more rural too, only uncivilised, uneducated rural lady sees their lovers weekends only. try to work more on yourself before your insecurities chases Peter away.

I didnt really want to entertain your ish but... If anyone is acting rural, uneducated and insecure is she who is doing everything in their power just so they wont *chase Peter away*

MADENZA
30 Jan 2008 06:55

yah neee!!!!!

myname
30 Jan 2008 06:56

excuse my Eng. meant 2 say," And Rene i believe If a man doesn't want you, nothing can make him stay"

Renegade
30 Jan 2008 06:56

Eish Sponono, i feel you, I wanted to reply to Tshepiso, but I realise that she gets off on ticking ppl off, thats y i just let it slide. 

But madomado, you did the honours, thanks. Lol @ the takeaway comment...hai.

@Best-Achiever-took the words right out of my mouth

@myname,
it would be so much easier if he said he doesnt want me, then i could bow out gracefully. But then again, actions speak louder than words. 


madomado
30 Jan 2008 06:59

@Renegade Lol @ the takeaway comment...hai. 
 
I took it from Rhythm City, darling. Rachel said that to Thembi about Dj Ngwazi. Does that take you any closer to home?

Pooky
30 Jan 2008 07:01

thought i'd take some time off from work,work,work to come and say halloween nonke...minemnandi!!!!!!

hectic stuff here maan... Renegade you're too cute for this drama and besides Madomado has said it all, and i'm so loving her...you go gal!!!  & AMEN to that reply you sent to Tshepiso...

Neway...back to work now....bye bye

MADENZA
30 Jan 2008 07:02

I have read your replies and many of you are spot on, Coming from the rural areas and now living in jozi for the past 6(six), i will try to give my opinions, so let me try to finish reading the replies.

babyjoe
30 Jan 2008 07:03

Ha ha ha ha, or should i do the hi hi hi hi laugh!!!!!
you people are funny, crazy and the best thing ever to happen on  t vsa esp Mado,
I miss Marara and i know she would sing 
Mado i love u, 
Mado i miss u, 
Mado i love u,
I do.....
More than u would ever know.

I am officially honouring u as the master of discipline at TVSA.
you go girl.

As for the article, i think the best thing to do for yourself Rene is to forget about him cos evrytime he will tell u about his parents and whoever is forcing him to marry the other woman. Remember if things don't work out between u too and even if it does work he will always blame you for making his life miserable. my advice from me is to let him made his own decision so that he won't have anyone to blame cos he has already started. No one can force you to do something u don't want to do, there is always an option or is it a choice????? i can't seem to decide which one is suitable.

MADENZA
30 Jan 2008 07:12

- firstly we have to respect our parents never mind gore they have not lived in the big cities, when it comes to something about culture ,that does not make you feel comfortable, you have to tell your parents and explain to them why you dont want to do it their way. so i am also of the opinion of that RENE's man is lying.
- Most rural area girls when you are working away from home they become difficult to you, so as a Man you have to be strong, because they will also try to be friends with your family. i once had this terrible experience at home which Belz knows of, and it taught to something.

KeleFabulous
30 Jan 2008 07:19

yho madomado...where did you come from??? hehehe

Nonny
30 Jan 2008 07:22

Big Ups - Madomado, u are the man or woman.........whichever applies..........LOL

sponono
30 Jan 2008 07:22

Renegade on a lighter note, you should thank your  Venda ancestors that Dudu didnt come to Jozi and mura'd you big time for shaggin her zulu-boy.....instead she's just waiting patientyl for the big day mmhh  you'll go heavy...LOL

Preshiii
30 Jan 2008 07:23

He's just not that into you - Wimp!

Renegade
30 Jan 2008 07:27

Lol @Sponono! Imagine, ngiyi gwala so, kodwa bengizobayini! Lol! Phela mina i've never been in these dramatic situations, but eish, when its bad, you never know, wat u capable of, maybe she would have been cursing her ancestors for giving her the courage to come here only to get mura'd by a venda girl.

Nonny
30 Jan 2008 07:31

Talking about Duducome2Jozi, what happend to her vele, udukile yini in the BIG CITY???

TheLady
30 Jan 2008 07:32

Rene , am Zulu from KZN-from the farms girl,. Now dear here is my take-this guy just wants to marry his baby mama period. He is trying to breakup with ya gently.  Every guy saves for lobola. He knows that you are Venda and probably won't understand this.

tizoz
30 Jan 2008 07:38

Yes Yes these people are telling it like Dr Phil! I feel you Renegade I feel You.

Gugs
30 Jan 2008 07:43

Interesting stuff.... 

Rene' ok this guy have definetly been with the baby mama whenever he goes home and for the fact that his parents think they are still together it means they might have seen no change in the guys behavior towards the woman even though he has moved to jozi 

secondly she hasn't been to jozi bcos he might have said that it not a proper plce cos he is sharing or something. so he opted to go home every month. and going home Rene doesn't cost few cents so he can't be going home for his family only think about it gal i know it not that easy but u better off without him.

cos even if they dnt get married with the baby mama gal you Venda so they might not even accept that he is with you or he can say that himself. 

in any case wish you all the best.

MADENZA
30 Jan 2008 07:43

Sorry rene i replied at the wrong article please forgive me and delete this replyi will copy and paste it at the right place. Yeses!!!!

Preshiii
30 Jan 2008 07:54

Talking about Duducome2Jozi, what happend to her vele, udukile yini in the BIG CITY??? 

Tell you the truth, lately I've been wondering what if some of our people here on TVSA are part of the one's who didn't make it to 2008, through road accidents etc?
This thought always saddens me & to think how difficult it would be for us to actually know if they did check out of this world saddens me even more....

Sorry guys to be off topic. Sorry Renegade for bringing this up here.

Renegade
30 Jan 2008 08:16

Like madomado said, we blog for different reasons. Mina I’m on TVSA coz its fun, and the rare times that I do write an article, its because I sincerely am interested in what you guys think about whatever is going on.

This morning my head was all over the place, trying to put things into perspective, and what you guys have helped me do, is ask the right questions, which is exactly what I am going to do.

So thanks so much for being so honest.

belz
30 Jan 2008 08:22

Rene dear if you're happy we're also happy, so go on and do what  is right for you, all the best gal.

spice
30 Jan 2008 09:03

: (   I missed out 
I need a hug 
/jordan and baby joe were here :  ) I missed you guyz a lot 
Renegade my buddies have said it all 
Bye ya'll and Ohh big ups to the madone! you have been blogging here for a very very long time akere the mad one ? 

Segololo
30 Jan 2008 09:54

King K says "Culture evolves" and to some degree I agree because most things that were part of culture have been sidelined for more mordern cultural beliefs so people seem to pick and choose culture that suits them...

renegade - I will say be careful of being taken for a ride... sometimes people tell us what we want to hear or might believe in to ease their guilt of emotionally scarring us. He might actually be making up the "culture" deal becauese he figures you need to know and what is the easiest way out of it? Feed you lies that are related to things you have no control over or cannot change. 

I have a friend who was fed the same lie and she stayed in the relationship. 8 years later, when the guy had 3 children with the wife she called the wife (stupidly) and the wife was shattered because her and her husband were basically in honeymoon land! She never knew he was having an affair and she had moved to jozi after they got married so obvously he had had to tell my friend something to keep her from asking why he had no time for her. My friend was gullible to the lies about culture than realise that this man actually loved his baby mama and wanted to spend the reset of his life with her. Sometimes in these situations you just wish the person well in their lofe and move on...

WhiteSockGirl
30 Jan 2008 12:09

Hey Renegade, interesting article and interesting responses.  I cannot comment on the cultural aspect.... However,...  I know when you are absolutely sure about the person in your life and if you believe in your relationship, then you will not allow yourself to be forced into a marriage with another person that you do not love.  You will stay and protect your relationship.

My father made it very clear that he does not approve of my relationship because the man in my life is not colored.  My father, whom I dearly love, has an obsession with the various shades of brown.
It has not been easy to against my parents wishes but I know why I am staying in a relationship with this man.  Family is family...  and I always say, you have to love them regardless.  

But  I chose my relationship.  I chose him.  
My relationship with my parents is tense but I made it clear to them when I am visiting home ( I will always consider my parents home, home) that my relationship is not up for discussion unless they can learn to accept that he is my part of my life now and that he will be part of my life until we (my man and I) decide to end the relationship.

I told my man at the very start of the relationship that my father is a racist and that I would understand if he would not want to stay around and deal with it.  I think that if you love and respect the other person, then you must be honest about your baggage so that they have a choice to make an informed decision about the future of the relationship.

Strongs Renegade!  Relationships... not always easy.

eish-bo
30 Jan 2008 18:36

As a Zulu gal from KwaZulu-Natal there is no such thing as a person being forced to marry a girl ayimithisile....ngabe omawethu bashadile with their "sperm donors" (our fathers). This guy is just stringing you along, he is being selfish and the good thing is that you are not in love with him. you know in IsiZulu a lot of money is used before the white wedding ceremony, so I doubt a person would want to waste his money with 1.  UMCELO   2. UKUKHOKHWA KWEZINKOMO    3.UMEMBESO  4. UMBONDO    5. the final stage the WHITE WEDDING plus the sunday ceremony lapho umakoti engeniswa emzini....no one is forcing him unless they will foot the bill for all these ceremonies and yena he won't contribute a dime. Myekele he is not worth it, uyangicika yazi lomfana

sweetie my baby
30 Jan 2008 22:53

tshepiso, tshepiso ,tshepiso... *sigh* play nicely with other children! what's up with the static, so much hostility! 

understand when everyone thinks there is something up with YOU, then it's time to take a good hard look at yourself and admit to the less than pleasant truth... you got issues...

maybe write a blog about it and work it out that way. as you can see, our resident dr phil's can sort you out quickstyle... good luck!

rene- i think its all been said, and madomado and whitesockgirl captured it very neatly. good luck, girl.

Firstdvd
30 Jan 2008 23:40

My sis...I dnt bliv wats ur bf is tellin u. While i ws readin ur "drama" i had a feelin dat ur man is up 2 no gud. My frnd(gal) ws in a same situation as urs 4 15mnths bt 2 wiks ago, finaly she took da ryt decision n finds herself a perfect match. Whn u in a relationshp lyk urs sumtyms u nid 2 ask urself ths: DO U HV BRIGHT FUTURE WIT UR BF/GF? Ask urself dat. I also dnt knw much wit our cultures as m also umZULU bt i dnt thnk ths hs 2 do wit it. If it does, then dat ws ages ages ago BC. U stl nid 2 hv a family n hs already started 1. Thnk abt ur future gal...4low ur heart. Ths ws jst my view. Cheers!

Firstdvd
30 Jan 2008 23:40

My sis...I dnt bliv wats ur bf is tellin u. While i ws readin ur "drama" i had a feelin dat ur man is up 2 no gud. My frnd(gal) ws in a same situation as urs 4 15mnths bt 2 wiks ago, finaly she took da ryt decision n finds herself a perfect match. Whn u in a relationshp lyk urs sumtyms u nid 2 ask urself ths: DO U HV BRIGHT FUTURE WIT UR BF/GF? Ask urself dat. I also dnt knw much wit our cultures as m also umZULU bt i dnt thnk ths hs 2 do wit it. If it does, then dat ws ages ages ago BC. U stl nid 2 hv a family n hs already started 1. Thnk abt ur future gal...4low ur heart. Ths ws jst my view. Cheers!

Nonny
31 Jan 2008 00:38

"maybe write a blog about it and work it out that way. as you can see, our resident dr phil's can sort you out quickstyle... good luck!" - ROTFLMAO at Sweety my baby, where u at these days, I miss u nalokhu kubheda kwakho yazi!!!!

Nonny
31 Jan 2008 00:43

"I doubt a person would want to waste his money with 1. UMCELO 2. UKUKHOKHWA KWEZINKOMO 3.UMEMBESO 4. UMBONDO 5. the final stage the WHITE WEDDING plus the sunday ceremony lapho umakoti engeniswa emzini....no one is forcing him" - well said Eish bo, uqinisile impela umshado wamaZulu ubiza kabi and akuyona into umuntu angaphoqwa kuyona kalula, phela if it were easy ukushada ngabe phela nami angihleli ekhaya ngibangana nama left overs nezingane zasekhaya ekuseni.........LOL 

azHOT
31 Jan 2008 00:53

you should realise that they were not only about bad hair and terrible dress sense (although they rocked then). They actually carry life’s lessons

Jordan uyasangana!!!! @Rene hang in there!!

Kim Possible
31 Jan 2008 00:57

@ Nonny:if it were easy ukushada ngabe phela nami angihleli ekhaya ngibangana nama left overs nezingane zasekhaya ekuseni......... Pho umnandin' umfudumezo (((((((((((Buzum Hug)))))))))))))))

Big Ups 2 Mado  4 yo honest nd well said replies Dammm u Good and a High 5  for ukuDisciplina uTshep........

Nonny
31 Jan 2008 01:11

((((((((((((BUZUM HUG))))))))) to u as well Kimmy, yazi ngiqeda ukushaya wona umfudumezo manje, so I need a DH ASAP to facilitate digestion, coz u know that umfudumezo uyasuthisana especially if usujwayele ukudla icereal in the morning!!!!

madomado
31 Jan 2008 01:23

Good morning everyone

Hope everyone had a great night.


Eskom decided to shed my load lastnight; on pay day. 

Have to get back to work .... chat later


Renegade, do not forget to share after you've faced the man in your life

mabhebheza
31 Jan 2008 01:24

Jut saw Buzzum Hug..nami i want (((((BUZuM HUG))...Nonny & Kimmy
let me read the article !! Will comment just now

mabhebheza
31 Jan 2008 01:24

Jut saw Buzzum Hug..nami i want (((((BUZuM HUG))...Nonny & Kimmy
let me read the article !! Will comment just now

Nonny
31 Jan 2008 01:43

Yamaqinasi ongu Mabhebheza, thatha mi i(((((((((BUZUM HUG)))))))).......u know I still can't help but feel like I am swearing when I write ur name Mbhebheza, did u have to make it mabhebheza instead of mabebeza?????..............LOL

mabhebheza
31 Jan 2008 01:54

Auwaa!! Sorry bangani Sorry Sorrrrrrrry!! Bhu uwile Ncima izibani!! @Tshepi
Thanxs Mado u derserve 2b a moderator..stru bob!!
Rene my dululu i think nawe u can see the truth that udoda mpini uyakushayasha...If  yena bekenga funi umama womtwana he was never even goin 2consider the option he wud refuse, its not a if his doing it at Gun Point !!

Im so glad that the is Tvsa with wonderful bloggers who show so much concern and support ,,Y'all rock mpela mpela!!

Pooky
31 Jan 2008 01:56

Just popping in nami to give ama warm (((((((((((((BUZUM HUGS))))))))))))))))........
 neway, back to work now..
 oh before i go....Nonny,what does mabhebheza mean kanye kanye??? just asking as umxhosakazi o very inquisitive...

mabhebheza
31 Jan 2008 02:01

Nonny *pointing a crocked finger*..put my name 2rest ..hle bathong 
Do u want me 2qoute 4rm Shakespeare Romeo & JUliet ...What is in name when  thy rose will still smell thy sweet even if it had a different name..Something along those lines..
nje wena my buzum unomqondo usile...thanda kabi umdavazo!!

Nonny
31 Jan 2008 02:12

"Auwaa!! Sorry bangani Sorry Sorrrrrrrry!! Bhu uwile Ncima izibani!! @Tshepi"............hihihi Mabhebheza, u are killing me my friend, this is why I miss u when u are not around lana eTVSA!!!
"What is in name when thy rose will still smell thy sweet even if it had a different name"...........now that's deep, it almost forget about ur name...........but then again..........almost doesn't count!!!
"Nonny,what does mabhebheza" - Fistly Hallo Pooky my love, I see u are quite a busy lady these days, applying to be CEO yini??? Neway to question ur answer, I mean to answer ur question. Mabhebheza means what u think it means, phela mina I know u and know the way ur mind operates. So that's what it means!!!

Renegade
31 Jan 2008 02:23

Morning guys, hope you are all well. 

Once again, thanks a lot for all your comments, they have not been in vain, trust me. 

@ mado, dont worry, as soon as we've sat down, i'll be sure to let you know, most likely on monday. :)

Kim Possible
31 Jan 2008 02:47

(((((((((((Buzum Hug))))))))))))) to you also Mabhebheza, i've noticed everytime u around Nonny's mood enlightens just becoz of yo name...... Chairmanikazi i know ukuthi ufeela kanjani  ngeDaydeng so mngani "HALALA NGALO HALALA''  ngiyazi sengikuthinte emanonini.....

tshepiso
31 Jan 2008 02:58

THANKS GOD my network is back, 
@ madomado o seke wa ntlwaela jaalo boy/girl, o mang wena go ka nkwalela lekwalo "sigh"mn phooooooooo!

Nonny
31 Jan 2008 03:00

LMAO at Kimmy damn ungithinte emanonini ngempela, kindly report to ur GB in 5 minutes ngoba I have discovered a certain theory that is sure to interest u!!!!

Nonny
31 Jan 2008 03:03

Madomado, in regards to Tshepiso's reply my adice to u is: "Don't argue with a fool, coz people watching might not see the difference" Please don't enertain her, u are too much of better woman to go down that worthless route!!!!

tshepiso
31 Jan 2008 03:14

I all yours today, Madomado come on TVSA's EAP COORINATOR.

Kim Possible
31 Jan 2008 03:15

@Nonny : Sengisendleleni........
awuwathandi amaPERO buka manje usuyaqhatha,  LOL

tshepiso
31 Jan 2008 03:17

@ Nonny o nagana o mang wena? o ka mpolela eng "sigh"

Nonny
31 Jan 2008 03:19

Love you too Tshepiso!!!

mabhebheza
31 Jan 2008 03:19

HAai ke Tshepi ...yini manje uzenza ipukane yamasi nje!! arg man!! wayisidina nje ,,,angalinge usibangele iscenene thina pls...bandla
Usunomkhuba umubi nje nge Eskom nguthi kumnadi endaweni wena usifika ngoku ncima izibani ..haai khuzwayo  tyini thiza!!

tshepiso
31 Jan 2008 03:22

wena Renegade, monna oo o lapile ke go epa sediba se sa tswe metsi, motlogele a nyale mosadi o naleng ditso.

myname
31 Jan 2008 03:23

hee hayi sana

sponono
31 Jan 2008 03:24

yerrr...special people on TVSA ....just when  you think they are gone but eh eh they still show up  their retardedness.........(too bad they wouldnt know who they are...LOL)..........I'm issuing a tender for a Sterkfontein type of service all you'll have to do is to collect all the retards on tvsa and sort them up.....no BEE status necessary........apply on my GB

Nonny
31 Jan 2008 03:26

"Usunomkhuba umubi nje nge Eskom nguthi kumnadi endaweni wena usifika ngoku ncima izibani ..haai khuzwayo tyini thiza!!" - Mabhebheza u are killing me.............hihihi............OK on aserious note, lets not entertain our "special" friend  ngoba u know uma sake saqala samutinyela nje kuvele kufike izikhulu zalana zimumele and then kube yithi abantu ababi!!!!

Kim Possible
31 Jan 2008 03:26

HAai ke Tshepi ...yini manje uzenza ipukane yamasi nje!! arg man!! wayisidina nje ,,,angalinge usibangele iscenene thina pls...bandla
Usunomkhuba umubi nje nge Eskom nguthi kumnadi endaweni wena usifika ngoku ncima izibani ..haai khuzwayo tyini thiza!!
ROTFLMAO X 1000000

Kodwa yini ulaka olungaka maBheBhe ucikekile shem uyazi uyabonakala, kodwa phela uTshepiso izinto zakhe lezi uyathanda ukumosha onetime....

Nonny: GWALA NDINI wathula nje bekunikiza my Buzum LOL... shuuuweee

Renegade
31 Jan 2008 03:29

Tshepiso, I saw on your profile that you are a professional person, so why do you insist on being the like this,surely you dont carry yourself like this in your everyday life? 
Or is it just a show, coz i seem to remember an article about some awards you wanted created, so I'm guessing you trying to get ppl to vote for you for some sort of "b*(*est" blogger award. Hai, if thats the case, then nna I honestly pity you, something's wrong, and i'm being serious.
As for your "advise", i think i've gotten all the opinions necessary, so its ok, thanks for taking your time out though.  
Anyway, this is the last time I'm responding to you, in fact, can everyone just pretend not to see her replies?

Nonny
31 Jan 2008 03:30

"I'm issuing a tender for a Sterkfontein type of service all you'll have to do is to collect all the retards on tvsa and sort them up.....no BEE status necessary........apply on my GB" - @ Sponono............hihihi ufuna ama retards????

myname
31 Jan 2008 03:30

some1 needs 2 go 2 rehab here

Renegade
31 Jan 2008 03:32

Lol @ mabhebeza.

@sponono, on my way to your guestbook

tshepiso
31 Jan 2008 03:36

Mabhebheza & Nonny, please read my first reply and tell me where did I went wrong, I was just replying RENE according to what she said, I even highlighted her words. so this whatever Mrs/mr Madomado who thought he is better than everyone and attacks me. 

u know what, I am a grown up women , Tshepo's mother, so if anyone treats me disrespecfully I can also do that.


FOR HEAVEN SAKE THAT ADVCE I GAVE TO RENE WAS FREE AND FRUITFUL.

spice
31 Jan 2008 03:38

Yuwiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeem

its'so outta fashion

Kim Possible
31 Jan 2008 03:38

@Rene :can everyone just pretend not to see her replies? 100% wif u on this one

Kwasuka lokho......

Nonny
31 Jan 2008 03:42

"GWALA NDINI wathula nje bekunikiza my Buzum LOL... shuuuweee"
Kimmy dear, angilona igwala, futhi angikaze ngibe yilona, mina I got incwadi ethi ngiwu phuma silwe kakhulu and ngiyathanda ukusteerer impi lana, so now I am proving ukuthi nami ngiyakwazi ukuyeka umuntu anginyele kuphela nje, kodwa ke bear in mind ukuthi uma sekufika la engingasakwazi ukuba iGood Samaritan ngizokhombisa kahle umuntu ukuthi mina ngikubani wakabani qa!!!!!!!!!!!

sponono
31 Jan 2008 03:43

here are some helpful hints to deal with special peole on TVSA

option one.....dont respond to their retarded replies
option two....make them feel special...(they are special after all)..so say sungthin nice
option three.(my favourite)..if its your article....delete their replies (i love this option....because they are special they wont know WTF happened...they'll probably smash their pc and that would be their exit from the site..LOL

thats quite neat hey!!!!

madomado
31 Jan 2008 03:43

Ok... anyway...

 @Nonny i took ur advise girlfriend..

We shall now move along to other issues, right, people?

Nonny
31 Jan 2008 03:46

OK..............I rest my case, I will take Renegade's advise to pretent I can't see her replies!!!!

Nonny
31 Jan 2008 03:48

"We shall now move along to other issues, right, people?" - yes Madomado!!!

Gucci
31 Jan 2008 03:51

I think Mfundi Vundla (Generations) has to bring back Vathiswa Ndara aka Mam'Fundisi and Elijah to the sets soon!!! Some people bafuna uthandazelwa ASAP (soon - sooner-soonest!!!).

First script on set:

Mam'Fundisi: 
Elijah, u must be a Fisher of Men. You must bring the special ones to the LAWD, coz the LAWD will bring Joy to their sufferings!! *singing Hallelujah Hosana*

Elijah: I know the perfect candidate for u Mam'Fundisi, am coming back, let me log on to TVSA, I will post on her/his GB. I think its time for the LAWD to bring JOY to her sufferings..."Kwa Kwa Kwa"

Just fo fun peeps....just for fun!!!

Kim Possible
31 Jan 2008 03:53

@Nonny: ha ngikwazi kahle mngani awuso DH wena akudlalwa maPuff & Pass ngawe , LOL besekuaddwa namaHalls hihihi kwakwakwa

ngizokhombisa kahle umuntu ukuthi mina ngikubani wakabani, SEBENZAPHI,UNANI wozani Bo....nizobona MaEEEE.... kinda dig that song kodwa angilazi kahle..... ayimfe2 izinto zakhona lezi....

mabhebheza
31 Jan 2008 04:00

Mnx x uyisibotho yazi..maar!! Futhi nje never mind!!
Back 2Topic Rene so i see you have come to a conclusion Mr Baby drama yena he must definetly blog apha kwa Tvsa naye if he need advise on how 2handle his loss either wena or the Baby mama

Molo Spice wethu!!

mabhebheza
31 Jan 2008 04:04

LoL @Gucci ..yhu Mrs Fundi..LoL

Nonny
31 Jan 2008 04:10

Kimmy I am in tears, uthini ngikubani wakabani, SEBENZAPHI,UNANI ........wena ubheda kabi!!!!

Ya mina angiwona ugwayi, angibhenywa, instead imina engiwubhemayo...........as a matter of fact, ngisayowushaya kwamanje!!!!!

Nonny
31 Jan 2008 04:15

"Mr Baby drama yena he must definetly blog apha kwa Tvsa naye if he need advise on how 2handle his loss either wena or the Baby mama" - hihihihi..........hayi cha ngikuthela isqoko namhlanje Mabhebheza!!!!

Miss K
31 Jan 2008 04:44

@Nonny Usile yazi. Uthetha ngami when u asked about Duducome2Jozi? I remember being called that in another article. 

Anyway ndikhona luv just trying to avoid serious articles coz i'm going thru my own shyt so i'm overly sensitive these days. 

Molweni bethuna, i've missed u all. Hello Madomado, don't know where uve been but we glad 2 have u here @ TVSA. 

@Rene all the best luv, thats all i can say. Thanks for the article coz i also gained some very valuable advice from my fellow bloggers. 

Luv u all!

Nonny
31 Jan 2008 05:03

hey there Miss K, glad u could join us today!!!!

Pooky
31 Jan 2008 05:50

km km km *shaking head* some people kodwa...

resist the temptation Pooky, resist the temptation Pooky,resist the temptation Pooky...you can do it come on resist....resist ......resist......

Nonny
31 Jan 2008 06:12

Awu ushaya iSelf theraphy my Pooky friend.............hehehe

Preshiii
31 Jan 2008 06:32

@ Pooky: Ndicela ukukujoina kulo positive thinking yakho....."resist the temptation Preshiii, resist the temptation Preshiii, you can do it come on resist....resist....resist... LOL @ Buzums!

Pooky
31 Jan 2008 06:40

Nonny angina choice mngani phela  i dont want another *Website to go live soon( 08)* slapped on my beautiful face, ...trying my utmost bestest to be a good gal.Nangoku i wanted to say someone needs uJesu and a hug maar i wont say it mngani, i'm too strong to give in to temptation, now back to my iSelftherapy yami...resist the temptation Pooky....resist the temptation Pooky...resista...  

Pooky
31 Jan 2008 06:46

Preshiii my Buzum you are more than welcome to join me sihlobo sam...one two one two all together now...............resist the temptation......resist the temptation........ tl tl tl tl tl LOL

Nonny
31 Jan 2008 06:54

*Website to go live soon( 08)* - OMG Pooky, kanti mina nawe we were victims of NO TVSA ngamayibomi, damn girl, then asiziphatheni kahle, lemme join u and preshiii........one two one two all together now...............resist the temptation......resist the temptation........ tl tl tl tl tl LOL

mabhebheza
31 Jan 2008 09:52

 2those who r tryin 2resist tempation Pooky ,Nonny,Preshiii,etc!!
Chorus
uzo resista kanjani efikile
ngiphethe uhlanyo uluvutha umsangano..
uzo benda ,benda,benda abende .siipoxa
Ngithi hlanyo uthule futhi..!!

aaaaaah kuya fiwa la...!!

bck 2chorus..
Buzums sing along khamani!!

Nonny
01 Feb 2008 01:03

LOL at Mabhebheza and her broken Zulu, shame my friend but I give u an A+ for trying though!!!.........................LOL

Kim Possible
01 Feb 2008 01:20

Buzums sing along khamani!! eish Mabhebheza u remind of all those good old days....

INJHA WA INJHA WOH - BBB's

 

boogy-babe
01 Feb 2008 01:25

I think it was doomed from the start ngoba it wud have been very difficult to date some1 with baby mama issues,he just wana have his cake & eat it2 ukubetha ngeSkill sisi vuka emaqandeni.

boogy-babe
01 Feb 2008 01:32

Tsepiso has a right 2reply the best she knows how,every 1 has a right 2his/her own opinion.GO TSEPI!!!!!!!!!!!

Nonny
01 Feb 2008 01:35

"ukubetha ngeSkill sisi vuka emaqandeni." - - mmmhh thatha Boogy-babe!!!
Oh he, Kimmy wasingibuyisa emuva nge Chinese Proverb ka Pooky!!!

Nonny
01 Feb 2008 01:37

Hawu Boogy-babe, how can u condone Tsepiso actions............and here was I starting to be a "little fond" of u and u just reversed my emotions!!!

boogy-babe
01 Feb 2008 01:42

Well Nonny its not like i agree with her qha its just that ndithi she has a right to express her opinion whether its IDIOTIC or not.Get it.

madomado
01 Feb 2008 01:46

yawn... havent we been through this already??? ...yawn!!

Dabs
01 Feb 2008 01:50

This guy is lying to you. He has a say in his life. If he really loved you and wanted to be with you he would tell his parents where to get off. He still love shis baby mama so leave him and find yourself another man.

Joe
23 Oct 2008 11:27

If u still want him, go after him no matter what!

bongeka sengane
19 Feb 2009 10:52

The fact dt he calls u a jozi gal,wat is he meaning xctly?evn do u dont ur cultures bt i knw u hav a clue  dt  umuntu uma ekwenzisa into ongayifuni uyakuhlukumeza no matter wat&izinkantolo zingaluthathela phezulu udaba lwakhe. Besides a Zulu man do honour abantu besifazane la ekzn unless he is fake,IF UBE KU USER 
ubepractiser kwena.

if bengiwuwena bengizomtshela ezikabhoqo HE IS LYNG UYANGICIKA SHEM

Dimago
19 Feb 2009 10:56

Bongi you are a year late...LOL

felfel
19 Feb 2009 11:01

I'm sho I can off-topic here mos, i'm seeking clarity please is Stone of Rythym City dating Tshidi or Charlotte in real life??????

Dimago
19 Feb 2009 11:07

Tshidi felfel

felfel
19 Feb 2009 11:18

Thanks Dimags.........

ms.tebby
19 Feb 2009 11:24

FELFEL.......Its Tshidi


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