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Oprah: I Am The Other Woman

Written by Segololo from the blog Oprah Reviews on 06 Mar 2008
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Since Oprah had had a show with cheating husbands (I missed the show if SABC showed it) she has been intrigued to know the version of events and emotions the “other woman” goes through. Finally she had four women who were willing to reveal all about the relationships they had with married men (04/03/2008). 

other women
The Other Women: Melissa, Sarah, Crystal and Michelle

Sarah, Crystal, Michelle and Melissa have been the “other woman” for years and were willing to shed some light on their situations.

Melissa, is married, had an extra-marital affair that lasted two years. Her husband thought the marriage was fine but she wanted an upgrade. She met the man she had an affair with in a coffee shop and he asked her to come take a drive with him in his truck. She agreed and she knew what would happen. They would meet two to four times every week. Her children had soccer practice so she would drop them off and meet the man in a secluded area surrounded by trees that gave them some secrecy.

Melissa
Melissa

Melissa confessed her affair to her husband and he broke down. She thinks she had the affair to get attention as she had constantly complained to her husband over the years that she was unhappy with their marriage. Now her marriage is much better than it was before the affair.

Melissa thought of the man’s wife as an extension of him, like his children and his relatives. He accepted that part of his life but later in the affair. It started to bother her when the wife started getting suspicious and Melissa had to acknowledge that she was causing somebody else pain. When the affair was happening the children were also involved in the deceit as she would meet the man with their children and spend time together.

Michelle, who is still seeing the married man, has been in the relationship for seven years and she sees no reason to ever end it. They met in Las Vegas, while the man had a long-time girlfriend whom he eventually married. The relationship was strictly physical at first when they met once a month. She moved to the area he lives in and this deepened the emotions.

Michelle being advised by Dr Callahan
Michelle  (being advised by Dr Callahan)

She doesn’t want to know about his life with his wife and doesn’t know what kind of life he has with his wife. She doesn’t think about the wife and refuses to acknowledge that she exists so doesn’t want to give her “an identity”. She considers him a great friend and they have great chemistry. She is sometimes happy and wishes that he was married to her but they see each other every day at a hotel or at her place. The wife doesn’t know that he is with her – as he works a very demanding job and works odd hours, it is very easy to see him. BUT she doesn’t want to know what he says to “her” when he is with her. He knows that he loves “her” and it made more sense to marry “her” because it made financial sense to commit to “her”.

She knows that what she is doing is “wrong” and people around her think she is selling herself short. She knows that there is a possibility that he could do to her what he is doing to his wife but she is willing to take the chance “in a heartbeat” as she hopes he will one day marry her.

Crystal, now married, had two affairs with married men and one relationship lasted seven years. He pursued her very hard, took her on business trips, sent her gifts and took her out a lot. She only found out that he was happily married when she was already too emotionally involved. 

Crystal
Crystal

She had the freedom to date other men and had no obligations that come with wifely duties like cooking and cleaning. It was like “rent-a-husband” because he met all her needs; financially, physically, sexually and emotionally. He gave her the companionship that she needed. He would give her money and buy her lingerie. They would meet in her apartment and he always wanted her to be sexy for him. She believed that she gave him better sex than his wife; so she could give him great sex and his wife couldn’t offer him such.

He gave her so much attention and was always with her that she convinced herself that the wife did not care. She imagined him leaving the wife for her and giving her the big house, the huge diamond ring and fancy homes and cars but she knew that it would never happen.

He always mentioned his home life as horrendous and seemed to give the idea that he was one foot out the door. She imagined the wife as an ugly woman who just couldn’t make him happy. He said he was heavily in love with Crystal and was staying with the wife for the children, as soon as they are in college he would leave the wife. It would be too expensive to pay for the divorce, alimony and maintenance. Crystal finally met the wife and she was beautiful, nothing compared to what he had said. This was the Aha moment for Crystal. She regrets the affair as she sees it as a waste of her time. As a married woman, she now wonders knows and worries about infidelity and her choices to stay that long in the relationship. She finally left the relationship because she found out that there was another woman that he was cheating with as well, so there was another other woman.

At this point, Oprah revealed her extra-marital affair and experience as the other woman and this is her greatest regret in life. In her 20s she had found herself in a relationship with a married man. Crystal’ experience was very similar to hers as she also discovered at the end that the man had another other woman. She regrets the experience as it is the most powerless position for any woman and it made her pathetic. The whole experience made her pathetic as a woman because of what she did to the wife, she never thought of the wife, she believed all the lies he told her about his home life and his wife and she had a choice to leave but stayed.


Sarah, who kept a diary of her experiences, had a lot of extra-marital affairs. She found herself only being approached by married men. They actively pursued her with words she wanted to hear and gifts. One of the men, she was with for two years, used to take her with on business trips and would introduce her as a business associate. He never said he was unavailable. The man promised her a future and she wanted to be number one. She was actively competing to be the wife. 

Sarah and Crystal
Sarah and Crystal

He bought her a house and rehearsed with her what he would say to the wife. He said he was only staying because of the children. When she eventually confronted him he left her with nothing, threw her out the house and she had nowhere to go and nothing. She had believed everything he had promised and she emotionally, mentally and emotionally suffered after the reality of what she had been conned into believing became clear. She called the wife, she is still unsure why she did it but she did it to let her know what her husband was capable of.

The diary she kept ended up being a book she wrote about her experience to advice wives and other women who might find themselves in similar situations. Her book is titled “Having an Affair?: A Handbook for the Other Woman.”

The book Sarah wrote
Having an Affair?: A Handbook for the Other Woman by Sarah

Oprah’s next guests were wives whose marriages went through an infidelity. I felt that Oprah could have had a separate show to cover the trauma these women went through. Noone in these kind of relationships really leaves or stays without being scarred. The men are never ever blamed for any of the deceit! The other woman is always vindicated whether she was conned or not. I am not saying they are not entirely blameless but the men should carry the burden of the entire fiasco. Who hasn’t gone through the trauma of dating a man that had another girlfriend or wife? The lies! The lies! Damn those people lie… and the lies are all the same, aren’t they? 


Teryl, Catherine and Candi
Teryl, Catherine and Candi

Catherine, who was married to a man in the entertainment industry, discovered his infidelity when she woke up next to him and he had lipstick on his face. He explained it away by saying some other celeb had kissed him as he left the club he was at the night before. She says there were other signs that he was cheating because he would not pick up his phone when she was around and would later be in a secluded spot talking on the phone. She finally had it when he got served with child support papers to a child she had not known existed. He locked himself in the bathroom and when he came out she knocked his front teeth out. Now she is happily divorced. As she explained the events, she was very poetic about it.

Teryl, discovered her hubby was having an affair when she eavesdropped on a phone conversation he was having and he said “wish you were not working today and I could come by to see you”. She was heavily preggies with their fourth children. She burst the door open and demanded to know what was happening – he confessed and apologized, maintatining it was just an emotional relationship, not physical. A couple of months later, she had to grab his ankles and begged him to stay. He left her before she gave birth to their child and they now have joint custody of their children aged 10, 7, 3 and 7 months old. He still maintains that this was his first affair and as a worship pastor of their church he didn’t want to do such.

She wrote a letter to the mistress which goes “What can I possibly say to the woman who has aided in the demise of my life? I wish I could stand in front of you to voice these thoughts so you could see the real person in me, the real tears that fall, and the real pain I have endured. … As a woman, I can't possibly understand how you are comfortable with completely tearing apart our family. If your relationship with a married man is all you've ever dreamt for yourself, then you haven't set your aspirations high enough. You are worth more than a man who would leave his entire family and his entire life.”

Candi, found letters and evidence that her husband’s mistress had heavily pursued him so she sued her and won $500 000. She couldn’t sue the husband so she sued the mistress for alienation of affection. She settled for $50 000 at appeal. I wondered how this relationship had fared during this court battle.

The husband had kept all the evidence in his office at work.

Dr Michelle Callahan, a psychologist, was our Oprah expert. She advised Michelle to look within herself to see what is missing in her life. She needs to reevaluate her past and figure out why she is settling for less. She advised all women to know that as other women they offer the men escapism from reality; they can relive their sexual fantasies with these women that are willing to stroke their egos. She calls these kinds of relationships "toxic relationships" that can damage a woman's self-worth. It makes the woman less powerful because they have the power to change it. They make the choice to get into it, and they can make the choice to get out. Since they are fed lies, lies, lies they believe the stories they are told and the men know what women want and will do and say it to get what they want. They have figured women out and prey on women’s vulnerabilities. They will over-promise and under-deliver and they know that the other woman see this relationship as a “competition” for being the wife; so the women end up with a grand prize of lying cheating deceitful lies. The other woman feels they can nurture the man and can fix whatever is broken in his marriage. 

Dr Michelle Callahan
Dr Michelle Callahan

The wives can also try to avoid finding their men straying by taking care of yourself, being sexually open and synching communication styles with your partner. Keep dating, even after they're married.

"Don't get so comfortable and so settled that you forget to go out and forget to go to the movies, go to dinner and get dressed up," Dr. Callahan says. "Don't just go in your baggy pants and the flip-flops. Dress up like you would on any other date. Remember, it's the other woman who is out on a date giggling and saying, 'Oh, you're so funny. You're so cute.'"

If nothing seems to make your man faithful, don't blame yourself. "If you're already doing that and you end up with a man who is a serial cheater, then maybe it's time to think about moving on," Oprah says. "It's really all on him."



88 Comments

J-Girl
06 Mar 2008 07:28

yippee i'm first to reply,

well i'll come back with the comment, let me go back and read first!

J-Girl
06 Mar 2008 07:45

will post a comment tomorrow, ive got to go now!
bye pplz

candy luv
06 Mar 2008 07:45

angaz what these chicks feel like after hes decided to go back because ide feel used.but i have to say ive never been the other woman but kissed somebody whilst in arelationship of 9yrs nge festive ku groovwa i feel terrible should i tell him i know its of topic.BUT THE GUILT

Louisa_ptl
06 Mar 2008 08:03

Dr Michelle looks like Basetsana kumalo bathong!!!

Renegade
06 Mar 2008 08:31

Sego, thanks for this review, i saw this episode, and it hit home, but its time for me to hit home now, so i'll give this article the proper comment it deserves tomorrow ne!

Renegade
06 Mar 2008 08:32

Sego, thanks for this review, i saw this episode, and it hit home, but its time for me to hit home now, so i'll give this article the proper comment it deserves tomorrow ne!

Renegade
07 Mar 2008 00:14

Eish, what does one say? I found myself really feeling for these mistresses, not because i think what the are doing is right, but because I am a woman who has been in love, and I am well aware of how blind it is. 
The thing is, when you are with someone, you want to believe that they are the one, and the lies they feed you may be obvious lies, but you choose to spin them to work for you.

My cousin is with a married man, and i've met him a couple of times. He's a gorgeous looking, nice personality type of guy. I had my reservations about him, but when i met him, I understood why my cousin is so smitten. He tells her about his unhappy marriage, and how unfair his wife is, and how he cant leave coz his boys are so young...and so on. However, watching this show, it dawned on me that he could be lying about his wife, just as those other men had. But it wouldn't matter to her. 

I must say though, I hate it when a psychologist goes the normal route of "what happened in your childhood wadawada", I mean honestly! These things just happen, love is an overwhelming emotion, and when you are in, childhood aside, you are in.

belz
07 Mar 2008 00:28

You know as im reading this article im thinking this happens everyday but to think that some people actually do it knowing that there are wives at home waiting for these man to come to them and their children, hayi. I dont think there is any explanation to dating a married man especially considering that the same thing can happen to you.
Don't just go in your baggy pants and the flip-flops. Dress up like you would on any other date> This is where most of our women go wrong, some of them dont even do their hair anymore, hey jsut neglect themselve, but all the same we've got a lot of beutiful fabulous sister who still go through this, IT IS REALLY ON MEN!!!!!

Nonny
07 Mar 2008 00:36

WOW Sego, u've outdone urself, very very good writing indeed!!!!

Eish..............this topic kinda hit a nerve so I will have to say NO COMMENT.......I hinestly don't wanna risk being judged unfairly and misinterpreted!!!!!!!

Nonny
07 Mar 2008 00:37

I meant I honestly...........

Porsch
07 Mar 2008 01:12

@Sego,  saw the show and thot ah dat will be interesting to hear abt how other ppl think or do things

@Renegade,must say though, I hate it when a psychologist goes the normal route of "what happened in your childhood wadawada",>>>> i so agree with you, 

whilst listening to her i thot girl i've had a very stable family, yet i was the other woman at some point and i only did it for the excitment, being known as the "goody goody holier than thou type i needed a change and he was it.

and we both agreed it is just a physical attraction, nothing more nothing less. 

mseu
07 Mar 2008 01:23

Louisa, uright yazi I said that when I first saw her picture.

Cnglemother
07 Mar 2008 01:27

Dating a married is wrong i admit but bloggers is there a way that we can maybe consider a little bit tolerable, what if your intentions are not to hurt the other woman and  you dont want him to leave the wife. 

And you go to the extent of making sure that the wife's feeling are respected at all times. Maybe come up with a strategy that will ensure that their marriage does not show any cracks due to recent developments (cheating), I am talking seating down and discussing the terms and conditions of the relationship, starting with the phone call setup, visitation rights, money spending habits and everything related. You both become adults about the whole situation. Emotions will be shaken ofcourse but by entering in this kind of relationship from the first place you knew what you were getting yourself into and you were settling for less. 

And i am sure it will take a lot from any woman to be this tolerable but the intention is not to break up a happy home but you also want a piece of him too. I mean this is the man you also love and you dont want to see getting hurt and by being discreet and more reasonable to the situation, problems will be minimised.

This is general talk by the way.

Lungz@
07 Mar 2008 01:39

Cnglemother, no matter what conditions you have with the fact remains the same. You are interffering in another women's marriage. It just cannot be tolerated at all, whatever the reason is

Renegade
07 Mar 2008 01:46

@Lungz@, I think Cnglemother is trying to show that its not always as cut and dry as that. I personally believe this, I have seen it, and I have experienced it(not a married one, but an involved one). Its not about the wife, it really isn't. 

Nonny
07 Mar 2008 01:59

Renegade and Cnglemother I feel u sistaz!!!!

Cnglemother
07 Mar 2008 02:10

@Lungs lets just say what she does not know wont hurt her. You do it in such a way that if roles were reversed and you happen to find out, you'd say to yourself that she may have cheated with my man but she was modest and considerate about it.

poshspice
07 Mar 2008 02:12

@Rene 'He tells her about his unhappy marriage, and how unfair his wife is, and how he cant leave coz his boys are so young...and so on. However, watching this show, it dawned on me that he could be lying about his wife, just as those other men had'

this is linked to the other article 'the real reasons' males and females go through same issues-

azHOT
07 Mar 2008 02:13

*sigh*

Zee Babes!
07 Mar 2008 02:21

People I think this issue is individually based and the community not even Mme Oprah can do much about it... Its one of those things that people do behind closed door and the fact dat they keep it a secrete means that they know dat its unacceptable but they do it anyway, they committ adultrey! Ja ne its wrong period, but I am not saying that I wont do it! Angazi but um praying dat utswayi lungangenzi ngithathe amadoda abantu.

mazemnyama
07 Mar 2008 02:23

i like the way you review oprah gal i cant watch it but atleast i have you and your recaps.....
anyway interfering in another persons marriage is just horrendouse i have seen what it does to families especially if the are children involved. Its just so one sided i mean the man gets his khekhe and eats it which is unfair on both the mistress and the wife....
anyway was involved in a shady relationshiop myself the guys was very loving, caring romantic everything that i wanted at the time. but when it came to his personal space he would clam up, if i asked a question remotely related to his personal life ngaphandle kwam he would clam up  and give me short answers. the crunch came when his friend in a conversation with him said something about him having a family and i thought maybe he means family in general. and one morning i call him we talking nicely and a baby cries. my heart literally stopped i just didnt know what to say and before i could think of anything his phone "lost the signal". Anyway to cut a long story short we broke up but we talk from time to time and everytime i think of doing anything with him i am overwhelmed by guilt and i think of that child 

anyway i wasted my time there and he still has jis family and children.

2lee
07 Mar 2008 02:23

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow... I'm apalled and neva thot 
id find myslf in a simila situation bt hey 1 can neva control lyf ryt???
Tru bt we can control wat hapns in our lives and be acountable 4 our actions.

 

 

 

 

 

Nonny
07 Mar 2008 02:25

Somethings in life u can only understand once u have been in the situation urself, and while u see someone else doing something that u don not approve of, it's easier to judge them, but guys I know that not all mistresses are mean and are out to distroy another women's family!!!

Nonny
07 Mar 2008 02:27

And now............Thuli...........I mean 2lee, what's up with the gappy response????

Nonny
07 Mar 2008 02:30

"Angazi but um praying dat utswayi lungangenzi ngithathe amadoda abantu."..............LOL @ Zee Babes about utswayi!!!!

Spy
07 Mar 2008 02:49

I dont think there is a grey area when it comes to marriage and cheating. Its not right period. I think if we have to find tolerance and "contractual agreements" about cheating with a married man then we have lost it.  What's next? Tolerating House Robberies because the guy was hungry or ".. oh well no one got hurt but he took a few things in the house so its okey" Cheating with a married man is like broad day light robbery to the wife.  Just because she doesnt know doesnt make it any better.  And why cant women find their own man anyways - is it a self esteem problem? 

Everyone things its okey until it happens to you - until you find out your man is cheating and the woman knows about you.  How would you feel then?  Its SO WRONG ON SO MANY LEVELS!!!!!!!!

Zee Babes!
07 Mar 2008 02:50

I think its common human behaviou to judge - if dats what the other woman wants to be the other woman so be it...the man is chowing her mos why stress...  

I have a friend who is dating a married man, @ 1st he kept it a secrete and when she foud out, it was too late and she was so in love and the poor gal respects the wife and the bottom line  people is that:
SHE IS HAPPY AND NOT HURTING ANYONE.

mazemnyama
07 Mar 2008 03:16

SHE IS HAPPY AND NOT HURTING ANYONE....... xcept the wife joe that woman blives she is happily married, married ppl are mos in a secure zone thinking all os well untill they find out otherwise. 
Cheating is hurtful joe ,especially when within a umtshato

Jennifer
07 Mar 2008 03:16

Let's not judge them mistresses. Dating a married man is wrong, but who will take care of widows, divorcees and singles.

Zee Babes!
07 Mar 2008 03:25

@mazemnyama - I disagree joe, how can you be hurt by something dat you dont even know - cos dat wife thinks its all well and if she (d wife) wants to have beef she must have it with her man and in her case (my friend) she was a victim too cos she was not told!  joe I think situations like cheating get out of hand once the other party findouts out but if you play your game well - Voila.

Spy
07 Mar 2008 03:28

I feel you Mazemnyama!  She is hurting someone.  The wife! She wont be happy for long as soon as she wakes up and sees she wasted all her time with this man and she will never have him.  Why anyone would  want to be in half hearted  relationship anyways is beyond me.  That man will never leave the wife and the mistress will always be second best.  I think we all deserve better so why settle for less??

azHOT
07 Mar 2008 03:32

the  ratio is 4 to 1. women far outnumber men so the people shall share..............LOL

buhlesim
07 Mar 2008 03:37

Wow this show hit a nerve. Its crazy how we allow men to take away our power by alloing to hogwash us.The thing that bothers me the most is that even single men get into a habit of collecting girlfriends and they feed each one of them the same lie.This makes it difficult for us to trust any guy. I really wish many more people had seen this show.

Porsch
07 Mar 2008 03:37

how can we deserve the best when men are either in jail, gay, dying and plus there's a shortage vele vele so we need to share>>>

hence Zuma is marrying left right and centre.........

buhlesim
07 Mar 2008 03:37

Wow this show hit a nerve. Its crazy how we allow men to take away our power by allowing them to hogwash us.The thing that bothers me the most is that even single men get into a habit of collecting girlfriends and they feed each one of them the same lie.This makes it difficult for us to trust any guy. I really wish many more people had seen this show.

Mathaz
07 Mar 2008 03:39

That man will never leave the wife and the mistress will always be second best.

They never do, if you take yourself in high esteem, you must not date a married a man.  Ofcourse it's fun and no strings attached but put yourself in his wife's shoes, yeah the man is a dog for doing it but woman to woman, it's just not right.

Cnglemother
07 Mar 2008 03:40

@ Spy Why anyone would want to be in half hearted relationship anyways is beyond me, sometimes that  is all you want and and if that's only what  you can get why not? Nonny siza ngeslungu esiright kule sentence i dont know if u get my drift.

Zee Babes!
07 Mar 2008 03:43

@ AzHot t he ratio is 4 to 1. women far outnumber men so the people shall share..............I feel you mngani vele we must share - some ppl are greedy - Period.

Nonny
07 Mar 2008 03:45

"married ppl are mos in a secure zone"

@ Mazemnyama...........
it is that comfort zone itself that sometimes pushes a man to cheat, then the married women just wants to blame the mistresses and the husband. Mina I have a friend that is married man that cheats SECRETELY on his wife, so he tells me the reasons why it is better to have a mistress when u are married *in his case ofcourse*. 

The thing is women SOMETIMES change when they are married, they tend to be in a comfort zone and fail to realise that that is the danger zone and they think that oh well he chose me to be his wife, so he obviously wants to spend the rest of his life with me, well wrong sista, becoz not all women out there are looking for single men and when they find love they don' mind if it has precausions

SOME married women fail to understand that there are steps that need to be taken inorder for ur man not to go astray, u must not adapt that aunty look and where amaphinifa and ungafuni ukunika indoda ikomo yayo........*Why vele must u be stingy and have 101 excuses when it comes to ukunelisa indoda ngenkoza yaMfundisi Khathide (ucansi)?*, stuff like that is a turn off and that that provides a gap that is sometimes filled by the mistress. And besides my friend *the married one* says that his wife tends to panic allot about overspending money and she is just to insurance orientated that she fails to unedrstand that u must still go for that holiday where the kids are with the grandparents and u are all alone and u must always keep the fire burning!!!

And this issue of wanting to control ur husband is wrong, u should allow him to be his own person and be the quality wife that u are suppose to be. Coz I also know men that are married fro years and they do not dare on cheating on their wives coz they are happy and fulfilled just like how things were before they tired the knot.................!!!!

Now the mistress ain't got no time to stress, she balances her life and encourages living on the lighter side of life and is also adventurous and obviously hubby enjoys that. And the other thing that is good about a mistress is that they don't disrespect u as a man and they got no time to shout at u, coz they know that u have enough of that from ur wife, coz SOMETIMES married women want to take the role of mothers upon their husband's and that drives the man away and suddenly he is having more business trips becoz of ur whining and nagging. 

So my point is, some married women need to also evaluate their sitiuation and really need to ask themselves that what it, that the mistress does that I don't or can't do????????

*Hayi kabi Sdakwa, didn't mean to write an essay, it just happened!!! 

Dintha
07 Mar 2008 03:45

azHOT, people shall share but not a man. Not unless he's told all parties involved about it and it was a mutual agreement that he'll have lots of women. Polygamy is fine if done the proper way but not behind my back. 

Nonny
07 Mar 2008 03:48

"sometimes that is all you want and and if that's only what you can get why not? Nonny siza ngeslungu esiright kule sentence i dont know if u get my drift.".............I feel u Cnglemom, bazokuzwa, well ke nami i apologise for lo George omude engiwubhalile nawe uyayazi indaba yalana...............LOL

zo
07 Mar 2008 03:49

zee bzbes, you cant jola with a married man and not hurt anyone, impossible

Nonny
07 Mar 2008 03:51

"how can we deserve the best when men are either in jail, gay, dying and plus there's a shortage vele vele so we need to share"....................LOL............@ Porsch ya mfethu, we gotta improvise in this life............LOL

poshspice
07 Mar 2008 03:59

guys, this is the truth that no one will tell you....Mistresses or dunno what a man cheating with a married woman is called but that...is what makes most marriages survive....it's just that women are made to believe they can't do it... whereas way back when a man was working far from home...women used to cheat, even have babies and mother-in laws would know and protect her.she'll pitch up in the mines already pregnant to sleep with her man and conceal the truth, I've discovered lots of old women, when I ask them why are you still in this relationship they'll tell you about Bra Joe who sees her once in a while...it's just than women know how to cheat properly....Stru... 

well nowadays with AIDS and all I don't know but it's an old phenomenon 

Segololo
07 Mar 2008 04:04

Eish! I hoped I wouldn't have to do this but here goes...

As a married woman, I would move all I can possibly move to ensure that I am happy with myself before I start ensuring that other people are happy - SO I am saying, i am responsible for MY happiness and in turn it will ensure that everyone around me is happy, if the expectation is for me to sacrifice myself to ensure their happiness then there really isn't much relating happening... I am not saying I will not compromise certain things that may make my relation strained so even when my leg hurts and I have had a hectic day that ended with 17 temper tantrums from Prince K in 6 minutes - I will make sure that when King K gets home, I will ask about his day, give him attention and support and then provide him a meal then get jiggy with it when we hit the sack! Why? Because I know that he is fulfilled when all these things happen... and in turn, he supports me in my writing, award show and SCD attendances, girls nite out and all those other things that he is not exclusively a part of because those fill a spot of hapiness in me that I am responsible for. It wasn't always like this but we worked on it because we want our marriage to work.

Now, the point of my prev para - Both Women and men expect the other person to "make them happy" - we get married because "she makes me happy" then you forget that she also has aright to ensure her own hapiness and in turn "He used to bring me flowers and spent all his time with me and that made me happy" and you forget that he also has things to do that makes him happy that may not include  you. You start wearing ditracksuits and forget that he knows that you don't jog and they are damn unsexy! 

Work on your relationship - as a team - noone will come in between you as they will have nothing to offer the other person. people only start looking when they feel they don't have what they are looking for.

mazemnyama
07 Mar 2008 04:07

SHARING HAA 

feel you mngani vele we must share - some ppl are greedy - Period.

thats funny joe 

anyway somethings sho are meant to be shared mara indoda NO NO NO NO

Mathaz
07 Mar 2008 04:09

I'm a married woman and should i find out that my man is cheating it would be for reasons beyond me coz i'm more attractive than i was before we got married and i give it to him everyday.  Men cheat because they are selfish and insensitive.  Let us stop saying that married women drive their men to other women coz it's not the case.  Most married women become loose coz of the way they are treated, if a woman is hurt, your outward appreance will show.

Nonny
07 Mar 2008 04:10

"Mistresses or dunno what a man cheating with a married woman is called but that...is what makes most marriages survive"...............Amen to that Poshspice, when the wife is busy faffying and worrying about the bond, homework, school & work lunch and the laundry & this, the mistress is being the pillar of strength and the loving and caring companion that the wife is SUPOSSED to be so can I hear a clap for them GOOD mistresses..............LOL.......joking guys, but ya'll know what I mean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"it's just than women know how to cheat properly....Stru..."...........So true, we are masters of this game!!!

Zee Babes!
07 Mar 2008 04:11

@Zo zee bzbes, you cant jola with a married man and not hurt anyone, impossible - 

If she doesn`t know what could POSSIBLY hurt her huh????? 

Jennifer
07 Mar 2008 04:11

The people shall share... not ME, the FREEDOM CHARTER...Lol. 

Medon't want to stress myself, as long as I don't know abt the other woman and nobody interefering with our programme at home. Can't blame my sistas bcs our men are the one proposing and entising them with money and gifts, they even lie abt their marital status. MOST MEN ARE CHEATERS!!!

Spy
07 Mar 2008 04:15

Look i know sometimes we want a NO STRINGS ATTACHED relationship but who are you kidding - women get emotionally attached and sooner or later they will want more.  Even though they will never say it aloud or admit it - its true - we are CREATURES OF EMOTIONS.  Yes we like to have fun now and again and we all know forbiden fruit is always exciting! But fact of the matter is cheating is wrong wheather it be for 5min Pleasure or 5years Pleasure.

And yes, I am aware there is a shortage or men but dont make population problems every wife's problems!

Nonny
07 Mar 2008 04:15

"Work on your relationship - as a team - noone will come in between you as they will have nothing to offer the other person. people only start looking when they feel they don't have what they are looking for."..................Sego, do me a favour and STOP calling urself little Ophrah, u are Oprah herself.............u always make sense damn gal, that's a rare gift and I hope that those writing skills are somehow being execised elsewhere either than TVSA!!!! 

Oh I would just like to highlight this, coz it's so true:
"people only start looking when they feel they don't have what they are looking for!!".............Amen!!!

Best-Achiever
07 Mar 2008 04:17

This is such a disgrace if you know that you are the other woman. as much as the wife might not know but knowing that you have come between the marriage is a disgrace. just think of it in this way "what if that was done to you, or to your parents"?

azHOT
07 Mar 2008 04:19

@ Segololo=well said

Jennifer
07 Mar 2008 04:34

Good write up Segololo. I just love ur way of writing. Didn't watch this episode, but now I feel like watched it.

poshspice
07 Mar 2008 04:36

@segololo well said, am taking notes....for  number 2..

myname
07 Mar 2008 04:54

Good Afternoon, Mohlweni, ndimasiyari, sanibonani, dumelang, Gooi dag

Nonny
07 Mar 2008 04:59

Sawubona Myname!!!

Cnglemother
07 Mar 2008 05:15

molo mhlobo wam (myname)!

poshspice
07 Mar 2008 05:22

Nonny Now the mistress ain't got no time to stress, she balances her life and encourages living on the lighter side of life and is also adventurous and obviously hubby enjoys that. And the other thing that is good about a mistress is that they don't disrespect u as a man and they got no time to shout at u, coz they know that u have enough of that from ur wife, 

eish this guy told me live-straightfoward that the reason why they go for younger women is that all they ask is 'ZIWAPHI THIS WEEKEND'? if he is not available, no shouting, scroll the cell and phone the next guy...while women with cars, townhouses talk about petrol, getting a washing machine, children, the car that need service

coz SOMETIMES married women want to take the role of mothers upon their husband's and that drives the man away and suddenly he is having more business trips becoz of ur whining and nagging.


Nonny these guys can be children for real, spoilt brats, you really feel you have imbodla  a 3o or 40 or 50 something year old son...truly they want to be treated like their mothers treat them,.okay some or most ...they'll even compare you and the mother....kade sasibona

Porsch
07 Mar 2008 05:32

well, ladies dont cheat becuase we are made to believe that if you do u're a $...

my experience - the guy i had a thing with was happy at home, we did our thing becuase we could and blv me no one denies the fun/excitement  that comes with a new relationship.  

this is so truewe are CREATURES OF EMOTIONS. Yes we like to have fun now and again and we all know forbiden fruit is always exciting! 

i respected(meaning i never interfered with her programme as Jennifer puts it) the woman, i had my fun and she never knew. Lekker

Cnglemother
07 Mar 2008 05:39

Poshspice kahle-kahle there is different types of mistresses, the "oziwaphi this weekend" type mistresses dont really give a hoot as far as the wife's feelings are concerned and all that matters to them is that he takes care of them period. And they dont even care if she finds out or not and sometimes will find ways to make sure that wifey finds out. 

And you get the sophisticated type who specialise in taking care of emotional/physical needs and the general wellbeing of this man, and driven by love ofcourse and an intense desire to be with this man even if the odds count against her. And I am sure they do feel guilty and disgraced by this and they know the pain that this would cause should the *bleep!* hit the fan.

Nonny
07 Mar 2008 05:45

Well explained Cnglemom, the point I've been tryna prove all day, that not all mistresses are the same!!!!

Nonny
07 Mar 2008 05:50

@ Cnglemom - Oh and my friend, stop putting ur self down & thinking ur English doesn't make sense, it's really good yazi, u pull a really nice & understandable  English waya waya response them...............I am sure *oSgonondo abahlezi bekhononda*  appreciate it..............LOL

Cnglemother
07 Mar 2008 05:59

Ngiyabonga Nonny, eish phela uyazi islungu sasezilalini sometimes siyaphoxana, so ndikhupha nesibekelwe abelungu so that i can fit kwaTVSA. going to lunch.

myname
07 Mar 2008 06:02

Im so tired guys............ Hi Nonny & Cinglemum so u r saying Lets Share Modimo waka where r u?

Dintha
07 Mar 2008 06:11

Not married  but sometimes we women reach a comfort zone and turn into the prude. We lose that va-va-voom not only in the bedroom but also looks because we already have the man & no longer feel to go the extra mile. That's where we make the mistake. Stay the way you are and improve where you can but don't get too comfortable. Let's face it, there's a wild side in each of us and that's exactly or partly what keeps your man coming for more.  If he's tired depsite you keeping the flame going  then your fire aint that hot for him no more.

poshspice
07 Mar 2008 06:15



@ Cnglemom ...yep but all of them r still mistresses-I suppose it's up to a particular man what type of a misus he wants based on his needs

poshspice
07 Mar 2008 06:24

you receive a message from a single guy that wants you written the following:

Girlfriends -are appetisers tastes good at anytime

Mistresses-are Nados hot & spicy

Wives- are two minute noodles eaten when there's nothing  else to eat

what do you want to be? 

what would you say to this dude

Dintha
07 Mar 2008 06:37

Bathong, a mistress remains a mistress. As long as you're shagging a married man,  ungukhwapheni. Whether you're doing it discreetly or "respectably"  ok'salayo odula olenyatsi. If he wanted to leave his wife he would've done so long ago but why do it if he can have his bread buttered on both sides? If I was a man with a mistress I'd play along too...........please withdraw your weapons as I'm kidding .

Maxo
07 Mar 2008 06:59

Maxo
07 Mar 2008 07:03

By the looks of things, most respondents r females, which is good cos I dont know what lies our male counterparts would be feeding to us right now.

On with my 2 cents worth...All I can say is that you have to have been in a similar situation to be able to comment. Becos if u havent been, u'll always b judgemental. Love is an uncontrollable feeling and gosh....cheating or deceit is the last thing on ur mind when u are in love....it crosses ur mind, but u dont entertain it becos ur r on cloud 9...until ofcourse u r cought....thats where the fun stops!

Shirmell
07 Mar 2008 07:08

Speaking as a married woman, I can honestly say that people get married way too quickly, they think it all ends with exchange of rings and saying marriage vows, that is only the beginning.

A marriage is a relationship that must be nurtured and worked on every single day so that it can grow, otherwise it stagnates and dies a slow, painful death, hence people turning to alcohol, becoming depressed, having affairs, etc.


The one thing that people especially men don't realise is that when you get married, you actually becoming half of a whole, you are not your own person anymore, you are accountable to somebody, that is the biggest lesson men learn when they do get married. Why does working on the marriage only have to come from the wife's side, doesn't the man have equal responsibility in ensuring the marriage works? If the man strays and has an affair, why is it automatically the wife's fault for him not being able to keep it in his pants?

From the other woman point of view, all I can say is the commandment "Do not commit adultery" is the one thing that I tried to remember to keep me away from married men.

Why in any case would a woman want to share a man, don't they think they deserve to have their own man, why settle for second best when you can be first, besides the mistress might eventually want to start her own stable life and have kids then she too will start nagging the man and he will eventually leave her, what a waste of her life.

Single women out there, you deserve your own guy, a man will say and do anything to get you to drop your drawers, thats one thing my father warned me about men as a teen, advice I took very much to heart. Don't get so caught up that you lose your self- respect.

zolx
07 Mar 2008 07:55

I've been a regular reader on this site for a couple of months now but this topic made me register just so i could post my reply and tell how hurtful it is to find out the person you committed your life to has deceived you and broken the vows.

I'm married and recently found out my husband was cheating on me. It broke my heart cos he'd be gone for hours saying he's at work - while i looked after our child. I dont blame myself or the mistress for what he's done. He should know better but what i'm trying to say is women should also love themselves enough not to share someone else's man just because of 'fun'. Why would you want to cause another woman pain cause its fun having a forbidden fruit. Cheating not only leaves scars to the wife but think about the children who sometimes might have to miss out on living with the other parent from divorce that came out of 'your having fun'. Its disgusting ...period. I was also once a single woman and have never eva dated a married man until i got married myself. Whenever a married man would approach me i would tell him that i'm not interested...i wasnt raised that way.

How am i supposed to look like a million dollars khona endlini as a wife when i have to look after kids and cook, clean do laundry for the same man who's out having fun. Mistresses mess with family lives and that's how it is - it wont change. And dont start about cheating discreetly cos akhonto ifihlakala kuphele (nothing stays a secret forever). People should just try and put themselves in the wife's shoes for a change or just think how they would feel if it was your mother/ sister being cheated on. Its disgusting!

Nonny
07 Mar 2008 08:08

Welcome to TVSA zolx, glad u were inspired to respond today, ur response has made me think long and hard about what u are talking about!!!!!!!!!!

zolx
07 Mar 2008 08:15

Thanks gal...i hope the other will also give this a thot...its not as simple as some of them think...

tonz
10 Mar 2008 04:12

hello everyone.

I write as another woman though guy was not married at the time.

Its true that love is a powerful emotion, I fell for him at first sight and when he finally said something I felt whole for the first time in my life. I lived, breathed him. The kast thing on my mind before sleeping and the very very first when I woke up. Of course he told me abt his gal saying they are breaking up which they did. 

I have always principled myself never to force anyone to do anything on my account so how and why they broke up I never knew.

Needless to say it was only a few months before he found someone to do to me what I did to that poor girl. They even procreated and are happily miserable because he still wont stop.

I cant even begin to say how hurt I was when we broke up. I eneded it but I stared death in the face. I could take down a proper meal for three solid months and lost weight drastically. All I could do was cry and cry and cry.  After about two years I could start looking at other guys.

I dated some guy wo was quick to want my hand in marriage but I stalled because I was still youngish and my instincts said NOT YET. A few months lager guy was engaged and eventually married. It did not hurt... I just laughed at myself and no he had lied and said he did not have a grilfriend. He called me a few weeks after the nuptials and told me his wife was doing her hair and what is up with us. I told him f*&** you and felt good about it.

From my experience I vowed to never ever again put myself in such a helpless situation and I discovered that its not true that all the good guys are taken, it just depends on where sister girl is looking. I am presently with someone who I found single (yes there are single brothers out there!) and he dotes on me. My the way he looks at me when he thinks I am not watching. And our communication chanels are open at all levels. 

Someone said you are responsible for your own happiness. AMEN TO THAT. To add it starts with you genuinely loving yourself and being your best friend. Only then can you stand up and say  I do not deserve to be a second best thing on the wings and you will go out there and give yourself prime time discover yourself and do the things you enjoy. and guys it is true loves comes when you are not looking so hard for it.

poshspice
10 Mar 2008 04:39

@zolx  sorry abt your pain....but one mistake that women make is puting 90% if t's not 99% of the blame to the mistress. men were brought up in an environment that promotes cheating, even if the current mistress could break up with him, chances are he will go find another one.to escape his responsibility at home...

as women, we have to understand the context of the situation we are dealing with emzansi and the caliber of man we are stuck with and individually decided how to best cope. having said that though, not all men cheat, I have come across a few that behave fairly well.

but no one forces a man to lie to his wife, the mistress doesn't know his responsibilities at home, a man is an adult, that is fully aware that what he does is wrong but go ahead and do it. he has choices. and he choose to leave his fatherhood and husband responsibility to spend time with a mistress.

Bra Bizza
10 Mar 2008 07:54

still haven't watched the movie...is there anyone to report back on it???

jazzyree
11 Mar 2008 02:58

Men are serial cheaters

I have been the other woman and the wife to the same guy so here goes. .....


I met this guy in Varsity and it was love at first sight, we dated for two months before his ex came and told him she was pregnant. I asked him to do the right thing and he married the chick, you know the saying if you love something set it free if it comes back its your if it doesnt it was never yours.

Three years down the line we met and there was still a lot of chemistry between us and we started dating again i knew what i was doing was wrong but the guy knew how to make me feel loved and adored. Nway i met somebody else and decided to leave this relationship with a married man.

Eight months later the guy i was dating left me for some other girl and i was hurt really hurt , i spend two weeks in bed and guess who pitches up to console me Mr Ex himself ,  claimed he had never been happy at home because he had always loved me and the wife never meant anything to him they only got married because she had been pregnant and i had forced him to do the right thing at the time. When you are in love you believe everything they tell you

Believe he told me if the wife calls i should tell her the truth about us from when we started dating and tell her he never wanted her. Because some other guy had left me for another girl i didnt care less about the wife all i wanted was the men my attitude was if others can do it why cant i. I huirt the wife so uch she even begged me to stop seeing her husband as he couldnt stop seeing me . I was so blinded and selfish and i diint care less what happened to her.

We met oneday in the city and we exchanged blows imagine that. Nway me and the guy hooked up he left her and we got married. We were very happy for three years , i mean very happy until this new year when i discovered he had been seeing some other girl for two months and he lied to her that he was single.

To me this was the end of the road for me because i knew this guy would never change i told the other girl my story and warned her that she will not be the last and she should not be like me , but do we listen oh no when people are in love they are really blinded . Nway to cut a long story short he left her again within two months for another girl and she phoned me crying about how right i was.

So to all the young girls out there NEVER BE INVOLVED WITH MARRIED MAN, dont cheat yourself thinking you are the best thing that ever happened to him , because the best for him is always with the next person what you do to another woman will be done to you

Nonny
04 Apr 2008 00:53

@ Sego, I was here because I had to do a copy & Paste job on the Blog that touched me the most for Tox's Pops Blog. So I though I might as well post a reply while I'm here coz this article really did it for me!!!!

Segololo
04 Apr 2008 02:37

Jazzyree: I am sorry for your pain and I hope the lessons you shared with us help others who find themselves in the same shoes you did. Thank you for sharing. 

tonz: congratulations dear. And thank you for also sharing

poshspice: I agree with you on how we are always eager to let the man walk away from his ish. these men need to take responsibility for their actions!

zolx: i hope you find a way to deal with the issues at hand and your hubby also accepts responsibility for his actions. He has hurt you. You are doing the best you can and his support will be beneficial to help your relationship grow!

Shani_B
22 Jul 2008 04:19

My husband was seeing someone from when I was 7 months pregnant. She knew he was married and she pursued him relentlessly for 2 years, resulting in the breakdown of our marriage. He was not innocent in this at all, and neither was she. I don't think that women who do this realise the pain that they put families through. My son will grow up in a broken home because of her. I hope that she is happy about this and realises that the chances are that he will do this to her too.  Any self respecting woman should walk away from this situation. This was not a case of finding out that he was married a year down the line and becoming emotionally involved first - she knew about me from the outset. 

Both she and my husband behaved appallingly. Both are guilty and both should be accountable for this behaviour. I plan to sue her for alienation of affections as I cannot sue him.  I hope that it was worth it!

Nonny
22 Jul 2008 04:43

This is one blog that will always be helpful........

Cody
22 Jul 2008 05:24

That man will never leave the wife and the mistress will always be second best.  wrong! some men really feel trapped in a marriage because of the kids.another thing, im am not married but my cousin's husband had an affair and left her for his mistress. when i drop off my cousin's son at her daddy's house, i understand why he left............so never say never! 

so tell me galz, is dating someone who is in a live-in situation the same as breaking up a marriage?

Toxic
22 Jul 2008 05:33

when i drop off my cousin's son at her daddy's house, i understand why he left............

pls elaborate Cody.

so tell me galz, is dating someone who is in a live-in situation the same as breaking up a marriage? 

what's the difference? if there are kids and emotions involved surely the effect is the same?

Cande
26 Jul 2008 04:26

I plan to sue her for alienation of affections as I cannot sue him. I hope that it was worth it! 

I wonder what would happen if we could all afford to sue..LOL a lotta of woman out there will go broke because of dating married men.

scampi001
26 Jul 2008 06:18

Well, here we go. I have to be part of this one. I've been on my own for a year, after many years in a marriage that was an affection desert. I met someone who is married (I knew he was married so there were no lies there). He made it clear from the start that he could offer me nothing and I made it clear that I could offer him even less. We were both in a situation where we received no tokens of affection from our respective spouses and the hugs, kisses, affection and closeness that we shared far outweighed the attraction of actual sex. We filled a huge void in each other's lives. I booted him out a couple of times because of my principles, but subsequently I decided "What the hell! I have no intention of taking him away from his wife, I don't want to marry him, I just want to feel the warmth, closeness and affection I had been starved of for so long. How much damage could that do?"   However, I couldn't stop thinking about this man's wife, his kids (all married and living on their own, but still .......), his grandchildren, his standing in the community, my standing in the community, the pain and anguish it would cause if the affair ever came to light. He is kind, thoughtful, considerate, very loving, everything a woman could ask for in a man. But is he? He cheats on his wife, and that negates everything that's good about him. The end result of an affair is always pain, for him, for you, for the families involved. Besides, do you really want to tie yourself to someone who cheats on his wife? You'll just be the next wife and you'll get cheated on as well.  My next decision was (and is):  "Nah!  Not worth it!"  At least now I can sleep peacefully! 


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