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Church vs Gays

Written by Sobza from the blog WISDOM on 01 Oct 2008
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WHAT'S YOUR CHURCH'S STANCE ON HOMOSEXUALITY?

I've had a priviledge of visiting Grace Bible Church (GBC) over the years and what I realised is how welcoming the church is. GBC has a huge following and one thing I noticed is how welcoming they are to homosexuals/gays.

HERE'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT

What's different about GBC or any other church that makes gays feel at home?

Will the church be misinterpreting the Lord's Word if they accept gays in their congregation?

Is homosexuality becoming a trend?

How can the church overcome their prejudices, misconceptions and fears concerning homosexuals?

Has the church (Body of Christ as a whole) done what it was called to do? That being, to bring God's message of love and reconciliation.

Do gay people feel welcomed at your church without being given horrible looks by the Elders?

Can gays be delivered from homosexuality?

IS THE WORLD OF GOSPEL FILLED WITH GAY MEN?

I MELIKA IPHALA PHAMBILI

Donnie McClurkin states that he is now an ex-gay

Before Transformation

He is also a pastor

After Transformation

Lyrics from his song Naked Truth:
"I did it, I made it ...[I'm] the genius, the faggot, the weirdo, the hobo, the homo, the magnet."

AND WE ARE ALSO GROOMING LA EMZANTSI

Can He be delivered?

Apparently ufuna ukutshata ubhuti. Maybe he should marry the one below

Akasazibumbe

Warning Warning Warning

If I find your comments offensive, I won't hesitate to delete them.

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82 Comments

Sobza
01 Oct 2008 13:03

Halelujaaah, Halelujaaaaaaah

Cnglemother
01 Oct 2008 13:25

Heh Sobz,interesting topic dear,change the date b4 da critics spot it 2moro and make a fuss.I dont go 2 church at all(its bin years),so i don have a church and know fokkol about what happens there.I had 2 much church growing up and which madeup 4 the rest of my life.

Firstdvd
01 Oct 2008 13:25

Udpated? I'll be right back!

what aka mathata
01 Oct 2008 13:36

this ppl are human,i dont see any pro with them,who knows maybe God his gay too.
im proud of them,they are real,n they are hard workers,n rich.

i cant comment about church,those priest they f** members like hell,so what is the use to judge someone.

Firstdvd
01 Oct 2008 13:37

Hhe Sobza...Last time i went to church was early 90s and by that time we had none. I don't know now. Lundi & Lusanda, are they gay?

Cnglemother
01 Oct 2008 13:47

Damn FD early 90's joe?mathata pastors are no longer a big deal to me coz of what i know bout em.

Sobza
01 Oct 2008 13:49

Thanx a lot Cnglemother

Sobza
01 Oct 2008 13:53

You need to fill da spiritual void sometimes Firstdvd.

mabhebheza
01 Oct 2008 13:55

Kanti manikanje abahedeni..nami i dont go 2church ..had a bad experience so nje no church 4me ...

Sobza
01 Oct 2008 13:59

Strong language Cnglemother.

Cnglemother
01 Oct 2008 14:05

Lol@sobza sory dear.no more of that, these are holly grounds.looks like this place is full of abahedeni.mabhebhy church aint my scene either.

Cnglemother
01 Oct 2008 14:15

Those 2 pastors can make me go to church again fosho especially the ex-gay one.The congregation must be 90percent female u know how indenial we can be.Damn how do u concentrate under such hotness at da pulpit?what does anointed mean?

Firstdvd
01 Oct 2008 14:16

@Cnglema...I used to go to Zion[sp]. Going there was really scary, u know izayoni zishayana kanjani mazivukwa umoya no matter umncinci or what! Hey, i believe in Him though :-)

Cnglemother
01 Oct 2008 14:27

LMAO,yo u finished me FD!tl-tl!i know exactly wat u mean.do u still rmemba when umfundisi wud start 2 look around 4 the ones abanamadimoni? and beat the hell out of u to take out da demonz.u brought bak memories my brada.most of their services are at nite.

Cnglemother
01 Oct 2008 14:32

Yo FD am still laughing at our abusive mazayoni.Sobz sory wethu we know fokkol bout the latest happenings at churcharia-land so we reminiscing bout amazayoni esakhula ngawo.

Cande
01 Oct 2008 14:38

tl tl tl, you trying to hook up Lundi??

Firstdvd
01 Oct 2008 14:38

I'm sorry nami Sobza...But imagine what if we had gays back then...

Cnglemother
01 Oct 2008 14:48

FD amagays ayezofa straight back then ezayoni.

Cnglemother
01 Oct 2008 14:52

Ha-ha-ha!mathata on da cake?yo wena u had real mathata fosho.and no adult wud hav blivd u coz its a priest.

what aka mathata
01 Oct 2008 14:59

dont say,is part of life,but when times goes,i showed him a birds

Cnglemother
01 Oct 2008 15:10

U showed him what mathata?a birds?i dont understand.sobz u b betta b hlomla dandala gud looking 4 me to attend yo fly by night church.You should open the party with a prayer u know darkies and their "ukuvula ngomthandazo",i will bring the candle.

what aka mathata
01 Oct 2008 15:18

birds=middle finger.

Sobza
01 Oct 2008 15:27

Nothing is impossible Cnglemother. Who knows, you might be a mamfundisi someday. Life is full of surprises.

afrolicious
01 Oct 2008 15:32

intresting topic hey! wel nna ke kena ecc(ethekwini community church) n gays are welcomed,ok ke a assumer bcos ive seen gay pips dat i know ko kereken and our pastor doesnt discriminate but neither did i heard him sayin bieng gay is right so a ke ntsebe ! N sobza u might as wel remove lusanda's pic caz mjj said he aint gay!

Firstdvd
01 Oct 2008 15:53

Afro is right Sobza. That what Mjj said, (remember)they've met face to face kwi-Rehab lol!

Cnglemother
01 Oct 2008 16:05

What if he's still kula competition ka mjj with gay labelling on his name,homophobes might vote him out.

Cnglemother
01 Oct 2008 16:08

What rehab na ngoku FD?drugs?

Firstdvd
01 Oct 2008 16:16

Alarm Cngle lol!

Cnglemother
01 Oct 2008 16:31

Sobza uphi?which city?

Sobza
01 Oct 2008 16:33

I am in Carletonville

HARAMBE24
01 Oct 2008 16:44

From a gay man, i dont go to church - i have heard about GBC but my sundays are usually dedicated to blowing another man's penis

Firstdvd
01 Oct 2008 16:45

Hawu Sobza :-( were those comments offensive?

Cnglemother
01 Oct 2008 17:00

FD lets behave asseblief.gudnyt boyz coz Sobz is eliminating me klaar!

Cnglemother
01 Oct 2008 17:05

Dont 4get 2 eliminate H24's response coz he also used strong taal,if u dont u will be displaying favouritism and FD and myself will not join ibandla lakho lol!

HARAMBE24
01 Oct 2008 17:12

Cnglemother...mosadi nna i just mentioned lerete la monna...bothata bo kae fao?

suzzy82
01 Oct 2008 17:13

Mna i think labo mRev that allaw gay 's at church they r 100% right coz no one has a right to judge only God can do that
if the amatutu (a.k.a thieves)sp and those ones that doesn't drink water that only drink umdiliya omfaxangiweyo (a.k.a alcohol)amagqwira (witches)can be allawed in the church with the hope that they can change
i don't go to church also b'coz our pastor made one gal pregnant ,its better if i stay home and pray for my self and read my bible than to go to church

Firstdvd
01 Oct 2008 17:23

Sobza, I didn't mean to! Did i? Otherwise, i'll google this church and be back tomorrow. Gudnite ppl!

Lela
01 Oct 2008 18:29

Guys I go to GBC and I believe it is a good thing for any church to welcome gay or any kind of person. That said I do not think by doing that GBC promotes being gay/homosexuality. Jesus Christ would hang around with all kinds of people hense He said, " the doctor is for the sick" when he was questioned about sitting with tax collectors and sinners.

My point is, I and many other Christians believe that homosexuality is a sin and if that is the case how are they going to be transformed if we don't welcome them in the house of God. I believe Homosexuality is a sin like any other sin so we can't look at differently from other sins. If fornicaters and drunkards are welcome in the house of God why shouldn't gays be?

NB: This is my bilief based on the word of God and I hope it won't make me look like I am jugding because personally I do have a gay friend that I love so much and I don't preach to him I just love him for the person that he is. He is going to be the only man in my baby shower and everyone knows, that baby shower can never be the same without him.

And Oh! there are many gay people that have been transformed who are now preaching against it, eg Pastor Donnie McClurkin, just like there are many sex addicts who have been transformed, eg Kirk Franklin and Kgotso.

suzzy82
01 Oct 2008 18:54

That was not my reason that stop me going to church ,the pastor run away to another country to start a new life

Sobza
02 Oct 2008 01:38

Kirk Franklin and Kgotso.

Silly, u did not forget to mention this one.

@ Suzzy82 - "i don't go to church also b'coz our pastor made one gal pregnant ,its better if i stay home and pray for my self and read my bible than to go to church"

Is it about your spirit Suzzy82 or is about your pastor? Why not find another church then?

Nonny
02 Oct 2008 02:06

Eish, I can't say much coz I am not a constant church goer, I kinda alternate Sundays. For instance last week I didn't go, and this Sunday I "plan" to go to church. So I don't exactly have too much info abt ama shims and if they feel welcomed.

Nonny
02 Oct 2008 02:08

From a gay man, i dont go to church - i have heard about GBC but my sundays are usually dedicated to blowing another man's penis
LMAO @ H24, u have no shame!!!!

Nonny
02 Oct 2008 02:10

just like there are many sex addicts who have been transformed, eg Kirk Franklin and Kgotso.
OK guys, call me blonde, kanti this former sex addict thing ka Kgotso is true??? Oh Thixo, perhaps yikho ehlezi edunusile kushuthi ukhumbula ama way backs....LOL

Strolicious
02 Oct 2008 02:18

Flash a punani he(Kgotso) will forget abt church.

Shuga babe
02 Oct 2008 02:23

i Durban Christian Centre is so welcoming kuma gays too!!
I am a Anglican but ndike ndaya once e DCC and i was siting eduze kwezi tabane. so i think amasonto should look izitabane as one of God's creations.

If u look at it this way . kukhona abafundisi abangamakhosikazi bayasimukelisa isakhramente elingcwele be Mensa (Mentruation) but nobody as ever complain, sometimes basuke bekhulelwe kodwa bame phambi kwethu bashumayele abanye they don't even married but bakhulelwe.

kumele bavunyele bo!!!!

belz
02 Oct 2008 02:27

u know izayoni zishayana kanjani mazivukwa umoya no matter umncinci or what! > LMAO first!!!!!!!!!!! I cant say much, i dont go to church. Nonny: yes Kgotso said he is a sex addict on his profile.

felfel
02 Oct 2008 02:28

So Lela you mean there is a cure for homosexuality????? LOL

PY
02 Oct 2008 02:42

I am not a constant church goer, I kinda alternate Sundays.....me too Nonny...
@Suzzy82...our pastor has also done the same thing....But i dont care about it coz when im at church im not there to praise,pray, or worship him (Pastor)....as u said in the above that "no one has a right to judge"....

Foxxy
02 Oct 2008 02:44

They should go to church, only to be prayed for. They need Jesus.

HARAMBE24
02 Oct 2008 02:48

Foxxy - shut up, u need a shag

FK
02 Oct 2008 02:50

@ felfel, on behalf of Lela, yes there is a cure for homosexuality. Donnie McClurking is one. Unfortunately, no doctor can cure this only God.

pariri
02 Oct 2008 03:09

Foxxy - shut up, u need a shag
hahahahahahaha H24,

Molilo
02 Oct 2008 03:12

H24 I love u so so mch

Golden Star
02 Oct 2008 03:15

... who knows maybe God his gay too........... im proud of them,they are real,n they are hard workers,n rich.........those priest they f** members like hell,so what is the use to judge someone.
LOL mathata you sure know how to make one's day...

Nonny
02 Oct 2008 03:20

@Suzzy82...our pastor has also done the same thing....But i dont care about it coz when im at church im not there to praise,pray, or worship him (Pastor)....as u said in the above that "no one has a right to judge"....

Same here PY, thina we've got two main pastors. Both are highly respected and both are married with wonderul mamfundisi's and they have kids with them. In a matter of a month, we discovered ama scandals about them. The one is gay and has been seen in Durban Florida Road picking up prostitues at night and when he was caught on camera he says he takes them to pray for them, I was like WTF???

Our other pastor, yena he is the hott Morris Chesnut type *when he is giving the service, I makes sure I arrive 30 minutes early, coz he gives us all these warm hugs b4 church starts".........neway, that's not the point, the point is he made a young youth church leader pregnant. I tell u guys, I stayed at home for about two month and I decided to quit church all together.

But then I realised that pastors are human and they also make mistakes, if they are misleading us and pulling aSis Ribs and faking the holy spirit, it's their sh!t that they will face on judgement day, but fact of the matter is I went back to church and praising God, not ourpastors!!! Hallelluyahhhhhhhh

Nonny
02 Oct 2008 03:23

BTW, thank u so much Sobza for this infromative and interesting article!!!

Foxxy - shut up, u need a shag
ahahahah H24........

@ felfel, on behalf of Lela, yes there is a cure for homosexuality. Donnie McClurking is one. Unfortunately, no doctor can cure this only God
Haiybo guys, what is this "cure" u are going on about, homosexuality is not a disease.

pariri
02 Oct 2008 03:45

"In a matter of a month, we discovered ama scandals about them. The one is gay and has been seen in Durban Florida Road picking up prostitues at night and when he was caught on camera he says he takes them to pray for them, I was like WTF??? "
yhoooooooooooo hahahahahahaah haybo Nonnz, angade abathathe yena selufa(self) hahahaha LOL

Nonny
02 Oct 2008 03:49

prostitues - I meant prostitutes

Cody
02 Oct 2008 04:09

Hao bathong? Is being gay a sin?which chapter in the bible says that? i guess i am reading my bible upside down, because i have never come across that scripture.

I used to believe that gays chose to be gay but guys i saw it with my own eyes that you dont choose to be gay, our moruti's son is now 9 years old, ever since he was 2 he used to talk & behave like a girl, play with girls even now he is a plain girl, the sad thing is he doesnt understand what is going on or what he is doing wrong, he cant even change, that is who he is.

Most of you guys know how unfairly gays are treated, i mean who would choose a sex preference that society mocks & abuses? really now, let's not judge that they are sinning, they have evil spirits and all that rubish! there is no one who is hollier (Sp) than the next person, because we commit sin each and everyday of our lives but no one is judging us, so please guys let's just leave the sinning comments to the one who doesnt commit sin, and that is God!

Triple lol FD ka mazayoni!!!!! Nonny & Cngle I will pray for you girls!! LOL!!!!

Fluffy Head
02 Oct 2008 04:13

This is a touchy topic...I will not bring my church's name or views to it...I'll stick to my own personal opinions.

I believe the church is a place where people from all walks of life come in to find restoration. And that includes everyone...straight man and woman, gays, drunks, junkies...alles. The church is a place where everyone should be welcome without being judged (the good book does say judging is the Lord's job) and should be made comfortable.
Even though they are all welcome to come into the gates and worship with everyone else - the people should live by the house's rules... If the church believes that unless you are straight you are not a true christian and thus cannot participate in the front line or serve in the church then the gay community should not feel that they are being singled out...Many chuches do not allow people who drink/do drugs/prostitutes or girls who fall pregnant/fathers they believe are sleeping around to participate in their services...I do not get the fact that the gay people should think that they are special and are beyond the church's rules...Yes you are welcome to come in but once you are in you should do things the way we do it...

It's like if you invite people to your own house - they are welcome to come in and spend time with you BUT whilst in your gates those people better live by your rules otherwise!!!

Shuga babe
02 Oct 2008 04:22

yazi ngangibukela i Tyra Banks show last week. afer 30years of marriege a wife found penties and dresses in her husband's weardrop and she asked him about it and he told her he bought it for her.

in 2 years time after seen those penties. a man told his wife he was going to change to a woman, he's felt like he's a woman before even thier wedding which means years ago. they have three kids 25,17 and 10. utata had his totolozi cut and he dress like a woman now and they still happly married. he even changed his name from Cod to Candice, really shocking. ugqoka njengomama but the kids bayakhohlwa bambize ngo Dad kanti yena ufuna bambize ngo Candice. *roling my eys* khwiphu latata sis!!!!

Nonny
02 Oct 2008 04:26

utata had his totolozi cut and he dress like a woman now and they still happly married. he even changed his name from Cod to Candice, really shocking.
OMG Shuga Babe, now that is iGomora neSodoma..........singing.

♫Inhliziyo kaJesu imnene zengizocasha kuyona♫
♫Ya…shi Gomora………..Sodoma♫
♫Baba wami, ngibambe ngingashi emlilweni♫

carino
02 Oct 2008 04:30

At the end of the day it's not about whether *the church* accepts you or not. Its about your relationship with God and securing your place in heaven.

Nonny
02 Oct 2008 04:34

Its about your relationship with God and securing your place in heaven.
True Carino, I always say that, I doubt death will find me worthy of heaven juding from the things I do and the way I live my life. But ke I hope that since somewhere in the bible it says: "Abanye bayothethelelwa".......I will be part of leyogenge that God will have mercy on, ngingashi emlilweni.

Shuga babe
02 Oct 2008 04:46

ukuze ubone ukuthi thios Gay thing is not God's will. niyamkgumbula that man oyewakhulelwa, she was a gal waxhuma ipipi wadla amaphilisi okumilisa intshebe.
but was so dam stupid she forgot to remove isibeletho, he was all over the news Niyamkhumbula!!!!!

Nonny, with i voce yo mama bomhlangano,
♫Inhliziyooooo kaJesuuu imnene zengizo casha kuyona♫
♫Ya…shi Gomohora………..Sodohoma♫
♫Baba wami, ngibahambe ngingahashi emlilweni♫

belz
02 Oct 2008 04:54

Gomora and Sodom song , lol nons.

Nonny
02 Oct 2008 05:09

but was so dam stupid she forgot to remove isibeletho, he was all over the news Niyamkhumbula!!!!!
Oh Now I remember that pregnant man, Shuga babe, somone even wrote an article about that Oprah episode.

molibelis
02 Oct 2008 05:27

this ppl are human,i dont see any pro with them,who knows maybe God his gay too.
im proud of them,they are real,n they are hard workers,n rich. This one is totally out of Line..........OUT.....how can u say that......im not suprised u dnt go to church i wonder who is going to b.....u, Mabye u will say God is another thing...........

andi01
02 Oct 2008 08:12

@Cody-Hao bathong? Is being gay a sin?which chapter in the bible says that?

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

Having said that

Mathew 7 (1-3) Do not judge, so that you may not be judged. For with the judgement you make, you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get

Lela
02 Oct 2008 11:14

Amen Andi.
Oh ntombi I was gonna ask about you today uba unqabile, uwophule umoya wam ngonqaba kangaka. Ndivuye gqitha xa ukhona today!
Having said that
Mathew 7 (1-3) Do not judge, so that you may not be judged. For with the judgement you make, you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get
Hense I said mna in my reply that homosexuality is just like any other sin so me being a fornicater is not any different from someone who is gay, hense they are welcome in the house of God otherwise how are they going to get diliverance just like the fornicater needs diliverance as well. No one is perfect but that does not mean that if I fornicate I should shy away from the fact that it is a sin and always will be as long as the word of God says so, just like homosexuality will always be a sin.

andi01
02 Oct 2008 11:27

@Lela-just like homosexuality will always be a sin. exactly, as much as i love my brother (the thief), i will always say that stealing is a sin. I accpet him coz I will never change him, he has always been a thief, we started seeing signs when he was 7 yearsl old, he is now 19 and he hasnt change. the same applies to homosexuality, it is a sin, just because we stand up and say it is doesnt mean we hate our brothers, we are just stating the truth. But being homesexual doenst make one sub-human, he is just a human like all of us, just a sinner like all of us.

Foxxy
02 Oct 2008 11:34

Harambe, in the name of Jesus, i challenge you visit this CBC place. They can help you shame....

Lela
02 Oct 2008 11:49

LOL@Andi

And ke like I said in my reply mna my baby shower will not be the same without my gay friend, I love him to bits and I don't preach to him just like my not-fornicating friends don't preach to me about my fornication cz they know uba ndiyayazi uba sisono I just need deliverance qha.

Cnglemother
02 Oct 2008 11:53

Where are bibles sold btw?eyesixhosa mara.

Beyonce Knowles Bee
02 Oct 2008 12:08

Unkulunkulu usithanda sonke, and asazi sonke ukuthi who is right and who is wrong so lets stop talking about into esingazazi we are all going to see on the Judgement day ukuthi who did what wrong!!!!!

Sobza
02 Oct 2008 12:21

Where are bibles sold btw?eyesixhosa mara.

Jozi streets uyazithola, Gospel Direct, Cum Book stores or any book stores uyazifumana.

andi01
03 Oct 2008 02:27

Where are bibles sold btw?eyesixhosa mara.
C N A

cleave
03 Oct 2008 02:59

I go to Hope Restoration Ministries, which is very much like GBC. Pastor Musa Sono has visited my church a number of times.

My pastor says that he does not believe in gays, but he will not chase them out of the church, because Jesus would not have done that.

Instead he prays for them.

Shuga babe
03 Oct 2008 04:32

I think the schools also plya important role here, i mean, i live near by the gals school everytime during lunch, going to movies the gals are always together and they endup kissing and u know what comes after a passionate kiss. Sex obvious!!

and boys schools as well. they start loving each other, there are no gals only he boys.

Dimago
03 Oct 2008 05:07

Church is a place of healing. All sin is the same to God. So if churches welcome fornicators (sex before marriage), liars, gossipers which make up 99% of the church, i don't see why gays/lesbians are not welcome to get healing. What most churches refuse to do is marry gays/lesbians cos they'll be promoting what the bible term abominable(sp)...amen...i'll stop here!

mokopolo
13 Oct 2008 11:12

Church is like a body or organisation. Each organisation has a constitution which guides everyone on conduct. We are all people and we are not perfect. I am NOT PERFECT and so have no authority to Judge only GOD has that authority. The Bible acts as The Word of God, it is there to guide the CHURCH- which is said to be the Body Of Christ. This Bible is what I would call myself -The Constitution of the Church in every gathering it is opened and read. I do not go to church I don't wanna lie, but my siblings are SAVED and my mother is a church 'goer' and so have come to learn about some of the things that go on in church. In every organisation the members strive not to break the laws of the constitution and if one breaks them he/she is rebuked by the seniors and given a chance to repent, if he does not then he forfeits membership. This is not at all different from what happens to the church, if one potatoes is roten throw it out, bad company corrupts, if you do think about it, it makes sense. If one is not willing to follow what their (constitution) the Bible, of course they have the right to exclude them in their congregation. Yes the church is full of some evil people, I do not even go to church because some people might not accept me for who I am, because I will be expected to change a lot of things, because it seems like a heavy yoke awaits you the minute you step in, but if I do decide to be part of any church I know that I would have to rid myself of things like sex before marriage and a whole lot of other sins that I commit everyday without even knowing they are sins and follow what the Bible (the constitution) says.
The Word of God is said to be the truth, MAY THAT TRUTH BRING LIGHT TO US AND SET US ALL BE FREE FROM EVEN THOSE THINGS THAT WE THINK WE KNOW AND ARE SO DETERMINED NOT TO CHANGE OUR MINDS OF AND GUIDE US, TAMMING EVEN OUR HARD HEARTS, FOR WE DO NOT SEE THE WHOLE PICTURE BUT GOD THE TRUTH KNOWS IT. Amen.

Snonoza
13 Oct 2008 12:05

Interesting topic, very controversial too.
Sorry, i can't help, all i know is that Lundi needs some serious help.

H24, can you help me here....can someone be gay today, and then straight tomorrow, and be gay once again when he/she feels like it? I had a gay friend once, and at some point he hit on me...made me wonder if being gay is all about the sex or is there really something like true love among gays, i mean being faithful to one partner and all?

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