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One Day Leader...the green grass issue

Written by carino from the blog Carinos Box on 13 Apr 2011
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Whuuuuu!!! One Day Leader!

The SABC call it:

"a show that is set to engage and educate young people on social, economic, political....blahblah issues blah blah blah.... and educate South Africans on the importance of voicing their opinions and making am informed vote"

Last night the social issue was about the lack of green grass in Dieploot. (well...it might as well had been) It was about how our non-urban black communities lack the very basic infrastructure needed for community development when the White developed communities seem to have it all together. I want to say so much about this issue... I'll come back later to write properly.

For now..

one day leader blurb

Do you watch this show?

Do you think the youngsters discuss relevant issues?

If you watched last night's show, do you think it was necessary for one of the judges to say to the white boy..."Who the hell do you think you are?"

If you do watch and you don't just think you are not the target market, who is your favourite candidate? Mine is Lesley

And Im back....

This week the youngsters had to debate about Sports and Recreation in our communities. They visited two different areas –

1. A white and very well-to-do neighbourhood.

The boys there were playing some basketball (i think) and they have a huge area that has all sorts of space for all sports activities you can think of – they can play rugby when they feel like rugby or switch to cricket when the pushing gets too much. All the while the girls can be entertaining themselves with netball in their own demarcated area or go for some indoor squash if the sun is a bit too hot.



2. The other area was our own Diepsloot – not to-do at all.

I’m not very familiar with Gauteng townships but I know my Cape Town ones very well. So, if you’re from Cape Town, Diepsloot is not an equivalent of Khayelitsha at all - think Nyanga or Jo Slovo. High population, no resources. Very limited public space as any free space black people make sure they fill with some informal settling. There are two guys there who run the area’s sports activities – some soccer team – i think that’s all they have. And they have over 300 children coming to play soccer each day. The girls are just left off to breeding, apparently – no fancy netball court.



The two areas were so at contrast the whole thing reminded me of the current thing ya DA in Cape Town that the municipality is good in Durbanville but Michelle’sPlein is in tatters.

So, boys and girls were at necks last night talking about how things could change in our black townships and how the township people need to take ownership of their own communities. I say, our communities must be tired of fighting the system. It is now each person for themselves. Even if you do score a tender to develop a mini multi-purpose hall in the middle of Diepsloot, you go for cheaper cement so that you’ll make a proper looking profit for you to drive a better car.

One argument was that the parents in Diepsloot do not even go watch their children play soccer in the filthy playground. I say, should they attend just because the parents in white neighbourhoods are attending, or should we start to encourage them to support their children’s activities despite all the other negative energy befalling our black communities.

Again, I am not familiar with Diepsloot but if it was Nyanga in Cape Town, I’d tell you that the reason the parents are not attending is probably because the children play in the afternoons and at that time, the parents are still making their way home from work, in a metrorail train, which is probably even delayed coz workers are on strike and they have to travel by train afterall because their communities were placed as far away from the City Centre as possible.

Anyway, I’m also getting just as emotional as everyone in the show last night. Truth is that honestly speaking black people are wounded, so deeply wounded that a small thing as little as a comment on green grass sends us beserk because it just resurrects the wounded spirit.

When the white boy, Johan Du Pisane (one of the candidates) said in Afrikaans.. “If the community of Diepsloot want the green grass bad enough, they should get up, stand up, and demand the grass.

Johan, my boy, the communities can demand grass nhe, and the community’s way of doing that involves burning tyres in the middle of highways, And Johan my boy, sometimes people get hurt when these things are done – Sometimes others die. So we would rather die demanding houses than fighting for some green grass.

And Vusi Thembekwayo (one of the judges) emotionally responded to Johan’s statement and said: “with all due respect, Johan, who the hell do you think you are... Who the hell do you think you are coming on national tv and saying people should demand grass” Basically Vusi’s point was that johan needs to recognise the two guys in Diepsloot who are doing their best against all odd, and acknowledge their efforts.

The way last night’s episode was emotional, most of the very relevant points that were made were clouded by the emotions. Those were points like communities need to take responsibility of their own development and people need to take ownership of their lives.

For me the episode felt like “umfanekiso ogciniweyo” from the TRC, struu...

One day leader plays on SABC 1 on Tuesday evenings, 18:30 - 19:30. To vote for your favourite candidates, you just go to www.onedayleader.mobi on your cellphone, scroll down to their faces, click on it, and you will get into their page and al you do is click on click here to vote for Lesley. That's it! Its that simple.



94 Comments

carino
13 Apr 2011 10:13

Vandimerwe
13 Apr 2011 10:18

charmagal
13 Apr 2011 10:22

hai idnt knw the show, wen, wer  does it play ?

skura
13 Apr 2011 10:28

I am behind Zwelethu Kos, I think he is the best candidate and he should win the competition...he's the best! When he argues, u can just tel that he knows what he is talking about. @Charmagal the show is on sabc 1, every tues @ 6:30...Host: Masechaba Lekalale if m not mistaken

siyamcela
13 Apr 2011 10:34

Charmagal it playz on Tuesdae 18:30pm,unfortunatly I didn't wach the episode bt I tink iz total rong to talk lyk dat to a contenter no matter iz white or black

siyamcela
13 Apr 2011 10:37

Yha skura tell about last night bru I didn't watch it if you don't mind....plz

charmagal
13 Apr 2011 10:37

okay Thns Skura & SIya , wl try remember to watch it nxt week....wait a min no i cnt  Thats time for RC moes

siyamcela
13 Apr 2011 10:42

It depends on Charmi what I knw iz if u intrested u can give urcelf a time dear

skura
13 Apr 2011 10:52

@charmagal, I also start watching @ 19:00, after RC...@ Siyamcela like I said I ddnt watch the whole episode, started watching @ 19:00 n I think they were debating abt sports and recreation on rural areas( i think)...n it was also elimination day, so Sebenzile" the soon to be a jurnalist" was eliminated. I was hoping they'd eliminate Johann thou, that guy is so slow, sometimes you'd think he is uncertain of what he's talking about. Lesly is stil on top, followed by Zwelethu, then Johann, the last place is Ayanda.....hope this helps

S.K
13 Apr 2011 10:52

I have never seen it.
Well it clashes with my Isidingo. Eish, tough luck my people!!!!

skura
13 Apr 2011 10:54

@S.K, but u cn stil watch the remaining 30 mins!

Teady
13 Apr 2011 10:58

that's a gud show and unfortunately i always start to watch it at 19:00 because of isidingo so i didn't get that part, but i heard them talking about it later on. I like Lesly but Zwelethu talks more about the practical things which makes him stronger!

skura
13 Apr 2011 11:02

@Teady, that is good dnt u think?

Teady
13 Apr 2011 11:08

@ skura it's good and Lesly is good in debates and lovable shame...lol
i also wanted Johan to go but not because he's a white guy, i just don't feel his debating skills. that second debate he had with Zwelethu was personal and he didn't say anything at all!!! but the judges chose him, i don't know why

skura
13 Apr 2011 11:17

I also think he should go but no becoz he's white! Did you listen to Lesly wen they were asked abt how  their journey has been so far on 1day leader! Shame I really liked the way he spoke abt Sebenzile n Ayanda! It was COOL! I still think that Sebenzile deserved to remain in the competition coz she was ok shame bt I guess thats how competitions are...Tough!!! Can some1 perhaps tell Lesly to put some lip ice/ bulm on his lips? its like he's always hungry! lol

siyamcela
13 Apr 2011 11:30

Tanx Skura

skura
13 Apr 2011 11:31

watch out 4 Zwelethu Cheesa! Kula show, anything z possible!!! U just wait n c!

skura
13 Apr 2011 11:32

Pleasure Siyamcela!

zam.ngcobo
13 Apr 2011 11:39

If you do watch and you don't just think you are not the target market, who is your favourite candidate? Mine is Lesley me too and he's gonna win it

skura
13 Apr 2011 11:40

hope so too!!! Cheesa, dnt u think Johann should have been the one eliminated?

babygal
13 Apr 2011 11:40

totally agree skura i was so angry with those judges, sebenzile deserved to stay, ayanda just did not do it for me in this episode, and sometimes she does not want to listen to other people's point of view.

about Johan, he had a valid point, i just could not understand why people did not understand his point of view, there was absolutely nothing wrong with what he said on the first debate, the second one with zwelethu johan was just better than what zwelethu in terms of arguing his point.  one just needs to take a responsibility first as an individual, it all starts from there.

S.K
13 Apr 2011 11:44

OH, u guys are talking about that show?? Eish oh!!!!!!!!!
Oh, i saw it sometime but i only watched kancane!!! Well m not following it but I think that Zwelethu chick is good. I like her voice, m not sure about the points she makes. lol

zvee
13 Apr 2011 11:45

I actually missed yesterday's episode.. Lesley is the man followed by Zwelakhe... Johan & Vanencia are so very very slow... Esp Vanencia, that gal.. She is a very slow thinker and whenever she does, nothing much comes out of her... It's a nice show by SABC1

skura
13 Apr 2011 11:46

unfortunately I didnt c that, only watched from 19:00...the only reason y m saying Johan should b eliminated, he's slowly, he mumbles a lot, lyk he doent knw what he's talkin abt... As u knw, all the candidated r given time( 30sec) to give the mission statement and 60 sec to argue or debate) he never finishes anything coz of the time( Shame)

skura
13 Apr 2011 11:47

@ Zvee! lol lol lol

Cande
13 Apr 2011 11:49

Who was eliminated? I missed it.

skura
13 Apr 2011 11:49

@ SK Zwelethu is a man not a chick! lol

skura
13 Apr 2011 11:51

@Cande, Sebenzile got eliminated!

babygal
13 Apr 2011 11:57

Sebenzile was eliminated,

 I agree johan is very slow, he did say though that his english is improving, i think he went to one of those afrikaans schools, i think it would be easier for him if he was using his own language.

for me there is something about lesley that i just dont get, i just cannot point out what that is though, andimva ncam shame sorry, he does have valid points though and knows what he is talking about.

S.K
13 Apr 2011 11:58

Eish I meant Ayanda man. lol

skura
13 Apr 2011 11:59

Exactly babygal!

Green.arrow
13 Apr 2011 12:01

hheheee...Thanx Carino *in Harold from SYTCD's voice*...

As i read...

ntoko
13 Apr 2011 12:09

Carino thanx for creating this article i always watch the show my favourite man was Zwelethu simple because i never get the chance to watch Lesley bt yesterday i fell in love with the young guy...well Carino this topic is very interesting and while they created the entire show i am sure we all got the chance to look back and see frm the tym our Government took over till now what happened,well i can't real focus on deep issues because i am not into those things i only worry about myself and family but as far as i am concern 

our Government is doing the best they can, never mind the corruption regarding funds and staff can't even go there but i am worried about onething as much as our Gov is tyring to improve everything in our country the birth rate is too high white ppl are not better then us but due to the fact that they not over populated as us that's why it seem as if they got better things i agree with Jan, even though we have new things in our townships we can't look after them lets face the truth we break the windows,doors,we pee all over and mess the yards that's the truth it doesnt matter how much it hurts,if we were to take responsibility for our sportfields,community halls and the clinics we were gonna be the beta country as well

skura
13 Apr 2011 12:09

yah well I guess so! U knw I really didnt think of it lyk that!

ntoko
13 Apr 2011 12:16

they must create another debate regarding birth rate, young ppl they dnt worry about school and to further their education but they make babies at the end of the day those children have no future no stable parents they grow up without mother and father and they become street children pls let us motivate our youth to only focus in education and other things that will make them better ppl tomorrow not making babies at the age of 13 i ahte that,i hate i wish i could go out there and shout pls ppl no more babies now before marriage we will never improve

Green.arrow
13 Apr 2011 12:20

I had visitors yestreday so i missed a lot :(...but before i finish readxng my onset opinion regarding the state of recreational activities or grounds in the twonship is that...The municipalities are failing the people.
My sister is an enviromnetal engineer. During her honours year she tried speaking to the enviromental department in my neighbourhood about doing a project that will lay the groundworkd for a park being build in one of the designated areas (and there are many designated areas which have grass, trees and people dump on them...what a shame)...and the people she found in the department treated her like she wanted to be paid when she only wanted to use those areas as a case study slash feasibility report for them. Not to mention that the people she was dealing with werev not even environmental scientists or anything close....she moved on because she needed to get her qualification.
The areas are there...designated for sports grounds, for parks etc....but some people who are responsible are sitting on the bidget and soing nothing.

VusiK
13 Apr 2011 12:27

Hello G.A. I don't watch Tell, just stalking you. I will read and possibly start another war on this article ... It's all good. Mzantsi people need agitators anyway. How is everyone?

Will read ... if there is merit, will comment, but generally, Telly based articles have me at a disadvantage because I will be blogging blind!

carino
13 Apr 2011 12:29

as much as our Gov is tyring to improve everything in our country the birth rate is too high white ppl are not better then us but due to the fact that they not over populated as us that's why it seem as if they got better things

True ntoko I couldnt agree with you more. It's a cycle nje from poverty to irresponsibility to ignorance back to poverty.

This statement that you are making also raises the point that if the government really wants to do more to improve the situation, they should stop increasing the allocation of money to social grants.. and invest in developing children after matric. So much can be done with the millions that are pumped into the child support grant thing in the form of R240 for each person. It's a total waste of funds coz at the end of the day that's not enough to supoprt a child anyway.

The issue here is really deep, shem.

Green.arrow
13 Apr 2011 12:36

Love your review carino...although because i missed most of last night i struggle to relate to thge emotions...I understand Vusi's outburst though.
PS: Do you notice how Eric since day one i think upon realising Johan will have a hard time on SABC, he has just been on his side, you see he feels for him and there is that white person to white person undretanding that is divorced from the realities of baclck people that they both share. I never expect him to be objective when the debate involves Johan...

My views continued...
Very limited public space as any free space black people make sure they fill with some informal settling
And whose faulst is this, the leadership. Most of the spaces that the shakcks occupy were probably designated grounds and parks and someone who is in charge of overseeing that department in the municipality just watched and did nothing.

I guess at the ned of the day:
People need to have specific things that they know they vote for especially in this municiapal elections. If sports and recreation is one of them during manifestos they are supposed to be querieng about them and who to follow up with when the elections is done. Voting for the sake of voting and not being purposefull about is what is killing our people. You cant hold the mayor accountable over abstract matters.
If its not sports and recreation it can be sanitaion, housing, education etc...but people have to be specific about this things so they know to specifically hold a specific person accountable.
At the end of the day:
communities need to take responsibility of their own development and people need to take ownership of their lives.
Sadly...most people will go vote blindly because I dont have time to go give voters education and those who should be educating are busy letting people chant rubbish and rhetorics on that elections debate show on sabc 1.

Phz
13 Apr 2011 12:38

i missed the show again..But from what I’m reading the poor white boy wasn’t given a chance, and as we (blacks) always do, we reacted emotionally to a good comment ,made by johan, a judge nogal, wasn’t he supposed to be neutral? The point made by Ntokozo is true.....................
Gov is tyring to improve everything in our country the birth rate is too high white ppl are not better then us but due to the fact that they not over populated as us that's why it seem as if they got better things i agree with Jan, even though we have new things in our townships we can't look after them lets face the truth we break the windows,doors,we pee all over and mess the yards that's the truth it doesnt matter how much it hurts,if we were to take responsibility for our sport fields, community halls and the clinics we were going to be the beta country as well

I work for the Gov in cape town and we always lay the green grass they talking about in black/ coloured communities but the level of vandalism is too high or the gangs take over the area, the community they don’t take care of the recreation areas, if you go to white places, they have parks or sport field committee to take care of their area...

VusiK
13 Apr 2011 12:39

If I may mention something tangent to the topic, but very important to consider.

I find it tragic that people complain about the state of anything in the township yet the instant people seem to start doing better than before, the first thing they do is run out of the township and go live in white areas.

I live and work overseas, and I have a house in the suburbs, ... over the past few years, I have been assembling a group of businesses that will be doing things in South africa. i am going to take those business and HQ them in the township.

I also intend to try and buy my neighbours houses and demolish them and build a house that compares to my suburban house .... in the township and hopefully re-settle in the township. I love the township.

I suggest that if anyone out there ever gets to have the muscle to take initiative like we have started, HQ your offices in the townships, go back there, change the landscape, make business come to you wherever possible.

Only then will the municipality and service delivery mindset shift.

After all ... all a township is, and will remain is a labour dormitory for the city and suburbs, don't ask government to change what you can.

My township is going to experience radical changes soon, simply because if I don't start, it won't happen .... once I start, i am certain others will follow, and the that happens, there will be no issues like the ones above.

BTW, I think my township is the cleanest one in the country .... I am proud of that!

Green.arrow
13 Apr 2011 12:41

LOL VusiK,i recall you dont watch the telly...an ability i admire. But One day leader is a good one i vouche for it......

ntoko
13 Apr 2011 12:43

True Carino the more they raise funds for child support the more we make babies and at the end of the day out of 100% children in SA only 1% benefit on the child support because we use the grant money for our personal needs who ever is earning grant u find them feasting only for that particular day and they only buy those cheap danone and big pack cheap chips for their children that is it no proper food,no proper medication ,no clothing,its easy to cater for few ppl then crowd,so lets face the fact we can't blame white ppl lets practice safety sex or no sex at all, white ppl also suffer like us and to make this a better country let worry only about education, I am not earning grant and i am not rich but what ever i own comes from my hard work because i was able to obey my parents and listern to my class teacher or my tertial level instructors .....hahahaha i am not being hard on anyone but we need to responsible without pointing fingers

VusiK
13 Apr 2011 12:47

People ... you are aware that some of these things are our fault because we remove tax revenue from the suburbs and relocate it to the suburbs.

If the townships were a better source of revenue, the townships would get better service delivery.

carino
13 Apr 2011 12:52

the issue still goes down to...

How come our black people vandalise our own parks and fail to take responsibility?

Why is it that we do not listen to advise that tells us to abstain or condomise?

Why is it that we cannot take ownership but instead we act towards everything with anger and frustration?

These are the points Johan is trying to get through to but his opinions see no light of day coz afterall he is just a white boy and whatever he comments on he gets the reaction that.... "its easier for you to say coz you have never lived in a township".. "who the hell do you think you are" kind of responses.

We should realise that our mentality and our social stance is all a result of our history and deal with relevantly from there - together. Changing mindsets n'all.

Until then, it will just be a matter of smaller gangs down in the communities and bigger gangs in bigger offices (e.g. aboSexwale naboSelebi, Mdluli and all those names. )

VusiK
13 Apr 2011 12:57

@Carino I could go into your question in detail, but not worth it. I will simplify ...

Blacks .... thanks to environment ... tend to have a less developed sense of propriety than other tribes. This detachment from value kills the value in anything, hence we can break the windows in our houses in the middle of winter without regard to the fact that we need to shelter in the same house.

VusiK
13 Apr 2011 12:58

It is impossible for anyone to protect something they do not value ...

babygal
13 Apr 2011 13:04

uyabona wena carino ndiyakuthanda, exactly my problem, evrything Johan says is shot down just because it is said by the person of another race, and i still maintain his point was valid yesterday, Government does bring these recreational facilities to black communities but no thina we dont take ownership of them instead we use them as dumping site in no time.

Green.arrow
13 Apr 2011 13:08

I suggest that if anyone out there ever gets to have the muscle to take initiative like we have started, HQ your offices in the townships, go back there, change the landscape, make business come to you wherever possible.....Way to go Vusi...one prteson at a time. Noted.

Im glad you elaborated on Johan's point carino because i think that its terrible that as a country we are still in a position wher we arent able to remove emotions and sentiments from debates. When will we get to that point. While i appreciate that the things Johan said raised the temepratures of many baclck people, whether for valid reasons or becuse he is white..i think on a show like that, Vusi could have beein diplomatic and kept to the spirit of the debate as opposed to going on the defence for "his people", whether he needed to or not.
I have gotten more and kore frastrated with how emotional the ODL debates get, i expected better from a show like this one.

Regarding the contestants. I love them all. I think we should expect better things from them, If the all got a post in the NYDA im sure a lot of good wouyld come out of that. I loved Vanecia, there was omething about her..ahs e and Sebenzile had ideals that arent militant, ideals the country should look to, but ceuase those visions werent the type that raise temperatures they werent heard much. But that Vanencia...there was omething about her....

zvee
13 Apr 2011 13:16

@Ntokozo.. I agree the childbierh rate needs a serious debate..Kodwa ke mntasekhaya these young girlz ziyawathanda amadoda.. This OBE is teaching them i Life Orientation @schl kodwa they still fall pregnant, they become sexually active @ a very young age... These boys nazo dont listen...I dont even wanna talk abt sugadaddies.

My cousin sista was sexually active @ 13, fell preggy @ 15had her 1st born @ 18 had her 2nd..Today she's 23 and her 1st born is 8yrs old

carino
13 Apr 2011 13:19

It is impossible for anyone to protect something they do not value ...

Our people dont see the point of valuing a recreational area, Vusss... when they think they have been promised a better life for all.. in the form of housing.

One of the girls in the Diepsloot clip last night said something like.... where she comes from she could play netball. Another BIg Mistake!

Our people leave the rural areas to go overpopulate them townships... because of that, our rural areas are sitting with unused land and old people in municipal positions doing nothing but getting fancy cars, drinking tea while potholes are all over the place and there's not even tarred roads.

So taking ownership and responsibility should  include moving out of informal settlements and moving back to our good old villages and developing them.

I would also not build a multipurpose hall in an area full of shacks, if I were a mayor. Serious.

carino
13 Apr 2011 13:27

To be honest Sebenzile lost me a bit yesterday.. I saw even Vusi tightened his forehead at some point when she was speaking. She went on some "Africa Unite" tip and I was a bit turned off her.

She literally mumbled through her response to the question.. "how was your journey so far?" Shem. Said something about being pure behind the mask of makeup or something like that... with her frequent raise of a fist in the air. haa-aah... I couldnt dzeal.

 

VusiK
13 Apr 2011 13:38

@Carino ... the instant we as black people stop living in fantasy and propagating a sense of entitlement, we will start engaging real issues.

i see people everywhere drinking and partying their earnings weekly ... not investing in their education and development.

I see people waiting to be handed things instead of earning them.

I see little girls believing the telly myth that their firm asses will get them into the passenger seat of the fat man's Range rovers everywhere.

change the people's mindset out of believing that things of value are easily attained and our have the basis of a real society.

I do not watch television, and my children hate that I impose this rule on them, however, they learn to think and learn to earn the right to have access to things.

VusiK
13 Apr 2011 13:40

It is the same system of value that is not developing in people that allows parks to be vandalized.

Sacrifice / Compromise + Effort + Direction = Result

Green.arrow
13 Apr 2011 13:44

LOL carino...i think its because she lost her steam by the third week. Because her vision wasnt hitting people's hearts...the fists in the air stunts and half hearted responses to me looked like her expecting no better response even she gave it her all....

Re: Africa unite...lol, i missed a lot last night and to think i was staring at ODL while entertaining. Based on her vision, i expect her to say that...but i think as far as articulating herslef, she gave up by the 3rd week.

For me taking ownership and responsibility is all ceneterd arround the miniciap votes that are arround the corner. If they fail there, then nothing will happen till the next service delievery protest.

And i think its easy to move back to the townships like Vusi plans to do...but back in the rural areas, there isnt much to do or be. With the rural development initiatives, the reports i have seen,it may be helpfull. But generally, people want better. They go out like we all have done...and yes we are adviced to go back and plough back and invest back home, but thats when we have gathered macentenyana to eable us to do so, till then we are mostly based up here. More than half the people that come to alex to hustle, hardly have transport money to go home and should the go home what do they go home to?....My hope is that the rurla development initiatives light up the rural areas so that young people can have things to do there and have opportunities to grow as people at the very least. Im watching that one.

VusiK
13 Apr 2011 13:45

There does come a tipping point at which everything is un-sustainable. It is the system we live in.

At some point, the lack of revenue from a certain quarter of the economy inevitably results in the loss of such a quarter , and the consequence is what you speak of ... squalor.

VusiK
13 Apr 2011 13:47

GA is quite right, if home is the rural outback, the challenge is greater to re-invest there, however, it is possible to invest wisely in remote home-environments.

VusiK
13 Apr 2011 13:51

@GA ... Rural initiatives often fail because of their remoteness ... it is often very difficult to maintain oversight because of the productive time/cost differential.

Essentially, rurals remain rural and backward because they are fringe projects which can be manipulated easily, and are very costly to maintain oversight on.

Benn there ... Done those.

VusiK
13 Apr 2011 13:53

On the subject of birth control ... Hayi Ke' ... A man with eight children is not qualified to speak on this ... so I will abstain! lol

Green.arrow
13 Apr 2011 13:53

change the people's mindset?? ......I do not watch television, and my children hate that I impose this rule on them, however, they learn to think and learn to earn the right to have access to things....is this the solution you propose Vusi?

But changing people's mindsets is definetely what is needed.....??? 
Every little effort counts. What will trigger the "change" in one person may not do so ijn another hence the manier the efforts the better. And dare i point out Vusi that television and the internet is one of the vehicles that can be used. Through shows like one day leader, im confident that one person, one young person's prespective has grown/matured etc....

The solutions will happen from the foundation up, at home, little NGOs etc, We shouldnt hold our breats when it comes to those in leadership mobilising the campaigns to "change people's mindsets" for their own good. They profit from the state of the world as it is. They feed people the kind of propaganda that blinds them further....

VusiK
13 Apr 2011 13:55

However, regarding the birthrate and sex ....

Simplified .... In the absence of alternatives ....

Alcohol and sex are the cheapest form of entertainment, both are readily and easily available without prejudice and limited immediate consequence.

Only education and sophistication can assist in making the transitory adjustment to facilitate the reduction of the consumption in both zones.

VusiK
13 Apr 2011 13:58

@GA ... trust me when I say this ... eliminating television from one's life forces people to confront reality.

It is one of the more important solutions ...

Green.arrow
13 Apr 2011 14:00

however, it is possible to invest wisely in remote home-environments....absolutely VusiK..and im thinking about the tricks that one would have to make as part of that "wisdom" ..tricks tricks tricks
Essentially, rurals remain rural and backward because they are fringe projects which can be manipulated easily, and are very costly to maintain oversight on....true, but also not impossible if one has througt out all tricks to make it work.

BTW, @VusiK..this points that you are sharing are very helpfull to me right now where my thought processes is heading....

VusiK
13 Apr 2011 14:02

Expounding ....

Television has its merit. however, television is a delivery device, it requires absolutely no engagement, we can observe the most interesting documentary and not interact with it, we simply absorb what is delivered to us.

The reality of us as a successful species is that we accomplished our success through interrogation ... of everything ... and this genetic anomaly is dying because of television.

VusiK
13 Apr 2011 14:04

@Ga .. You are welcome ... if you inbox me, I will give you my email, and I can help you with some of the projects. T&C will apply (Bankers and Banks always want their pound of flesh)

Green.arrow
13 Apr 2011 14:04

Vusi..hmm...i really want to test your theory...i really do. Im 5 to daring myself......
Im gonna need an accountability patner though..and i have an idea who,... someone who isnt at all into tv who hates that i watch tv.
Okay...im gonna drop you mail when ive done it or when im about to and ill give you feedback.

VusiK
13 Apr 2011 14:06

I cannot comment on the program, I did not see it, but I can comment on matters I am versed to some degree on ... we all have our limits (Smile)

Green.arrow
13 Apr 2011 14:08

Television has its merit. however, television is a delivery device, it requires absolutely no engagement, we can observe the most interesting documentary and not interact with it, we simply absorb what is delivered to us..... thats what i have generally notice and it upsets me when i see people just taking what they watch as gospel. But if tvsa viewers are to go by, then its not always the case that people just watch, absorb and not interact.....

VusiK
13 Apr 2011 14:09

@Makisto ... C'Mon! We will help invigorate you with stimulating debate.

VusiK
13 Apr 2011 14:14

@GA ... the problem I have with Telly is the same problem every parent experiences with discipline...

The people that need discipline will generally bend to the side that accommodates their weaker side better  (the undisciplined side)

The positive side of television is unattractive to the developing mind ... However, the caustic side ... entertainment for its sake ... escapist programming, however, is extremely attractive, and progressively bends the mind away from confronting one's shortcomings and the reality that life, and the world is full of challenges, and is not a as nice place as the fantasy one likes running to see on the box.

Therein lies the clear, present and immediate danger of television ... I prefer it to be a reward for myself and my children to watch television rather than it being the centre of our social interaction.

myname
13 Apr 2011 14:15

Thanks Carino. I’ve watched one episode and I was blown away. I was amazed of how those young leaders perceived the world. They have relevant and very strong points which I myself wouldn’t know how to raise them. Whoever wins I’m happy. They are all good and that’s what we call brilliant. I pray they grow wiser and become our president. I respect those kids with all of my heart. 

I want to comment but I feel a bit down. It happens sometimes babes. Go and drink a strong black coffee.

VusiK
13 Apr 2011 14:15

@Makisto ... sorry Sir ... If you need an objective ear ...

ntoko
13 Apr 2011 14:16

Eish guys m reading and enjoying every comment and everything makes sense to me, blogging is all about the group of most intelligent ppl,when i first joined this site 3yrs ago i thought it was all about celebs gossip but it has opened my eyes i have learned a lot ,i wish we cud find a rank where we will get more expossure and educate the young generation out there cos not everyone is reading our comments after all it start and end here.

carino
13 Apr 2011 14:17

Shem.. poor Johan. I think from now on I should vote for him so he makes it to the final with Lesley. He has great points, he is just disadvantaged coz he is not good at articulating them and futhi he represents the minority -

-  Somebody needs to tell Steve Hofmeyr about this show - he can support him and ganner some votes for the guy - At least that was Steve's fights will be focussed, well-directed, effective and his talking can produce some good results, shem.

myname
13 Apr 2011 14:23

Askis Maki I hope u find peace..... Stay blessed nhe!

VusiK
13 Apr 2011 14:43

This article has such potential ... and the day is ending ... companie have saved bandwidth today

realist
13 Apr 2011 15:15

Television has its merit. however, television is a delivery device, it requires absolutely no engagement, we can observe the most interesting documentary and not interact with it, we simply absorb what is delivered to us..... 

Well said. To prove your point, just check the ratings on the shows that do not require lateral thinking and see how many viewers get attracted to them, e.g. soapies and gossips shows. By this statement I am in no way referring to ones IQ”s

However, regarding the birthrate and sex ....
This has to do with the level of education and unemployment. If this regime can up their game by creating more opportunities for the youth to get employment, the birth rate will start to decline.

 Now a day’s women are courting men because of socio economic issues and as such the birth rate will not drop.


VusiK
13 Apr 2011 15:25

However, regarding the birthrate and sex ....
This has to do with the level of education and unemployment. If this regime can up their game by creating more opportunities for the youth to get employment, the birth rate will start to decline.

To me it is a matter of what you mention, plus education and sophistication ... Education creates opportunities, and that provides options.

and Yaaahhhh ... women do tend to be attracted to shiny things like magpies mistaking them for the potential for security .... Women generally are looking for a sense of security, unfortunately (Tells them ..) shiny things suggest wealth whereas it is really debt .... My opinion ... their fault ... They should get an education, create opportunities, and exercise their options.

maddie
13 Apr 2011 15:26

my late mom and I bought a house in a new development, street lights, tarred road and the works, beautiful area with beautiful houses, i could not call a township nor a suburb just a nice area with black people.

we loved it and it had potential to be one of the most desireable place to live in until darkies turned it into something else, i'm sorry mara batho bantsho we r our own worst enemies, masepala comes every saturday to collect gabbage mara darkie has to go to an open place and throw irubbish yakhe, littering all over place is a norm even the kids do that..

i try to sweep the streets whenver am around but i've givenn cos ppl have no respect whatsover for diproperty tsa batho.

am renting it out and hv no intention of going back there am relocating to the suburbs no thank u very much, it's frustrating 2 b the only 1 upholding cleanliness and thinking we can do much better as blacks, SAD
 

VusiK
13 Apr 2011 15:34

I am looking forward to re-establishing m life in the township ... I will rent the suburban house out. It is a few years away (Perhaps five or so) ... But I will be absolutely proud that the few months I come back here will be spent at my township house.

myname
13 Apr 2011 15:36

lol maddie but u sound so snobbish (not in a bad way though)...but i understand where u coming from.

Carino so u decided 2 put onke lama ou wakho hehehehehe hayi sana u r inluv.

VusiK
13 Apr 2011 15:53

For me ... the grass is greener in the township ... for so many reasons ...

Green.arrow
13 Apr 2011 16:01

The positive side of television is unattractive to the developing mind ... However, the caustic side ... entertainment for its sake ... escapist programming, however, is extremely attractive, and progressively bends the mind away from confronting one's shortcomings and the reality that life, and the world is full of challenges, and is not a as nice place as the fantasy one likes running to see on the box. True...there exeptions though, im one and the ratings as realist points out, althought they tilt heavily towards the not so edifying side of tv, do indicate there are people who find the difying staff appealing.

Therein lies the clear, present and immediate danger of television ... I prefer it to be a reward for myself and my children to watch television rather than it being the centre of our social interaction. I gree....

the problem I have with Telly is the same problem every parent experiences with discipline... i often say, when i have children i will monitor their tv watching more than i was never monitored, And i dont blame my mom because this tv things were new to them and she ddnt see the evil about till unless during generations when they kissed and she thought it was the worst kind of evil....so i know better, i certainly could have gone without some of the things ive seen on tv. So ill take the age restriction bits seriously. But who knows, maybe by the time im a mother i will have totally stopped watching tv that the idea of the kids not watching tv will be as religous as eating healthy between the parents and the kids.

@ntoko..am sharing your sentiments bro...

Green.arrow
13 Apr 2011 16:06

@carino...Johan has all the backing he needs from EriK...i recall one episode were he got the pity token white boy vote from the judges, i think Vusi sat that judgement out...and Lesley had argued his lungs out shem...literally.
I dunno...i just dont hear Johan much...they all always make points that one can work with, but i always feel like his opponents make stronger arguments.

VusiK
13 Apr 2011 16:07

Ag! I don't follow telly, so Hofmeir is essentially not an issue to me, I have not followed his rantings ...

ntoko
13 Apr 2011 16:08

Green m not bro. ****

Green.arrow
13 Apr 2011 16:14

lol...sowi Ntoko....i actually use "bro" in the neutral sense...*tomboy tendencies*...askies ne...

maddie
13 Apr 2011 16:17

@myname 

ha ha ha am far from being snobbish, funny cos each tym i sweep the streets or collect rubbish the kids threw on the lawns and stuff i get remarks like "uzenza qono"

vusiK good luck with ur township move.

Green.arrow
13 Apr 2011 16:22

"uzenza qono".....how very ironic....*pitifull*.....like how do you make urself  out to be better when you picking up dirt.

Whats that phrase again....*goes up to copy* ....."changing the people's mindset"

Green.arrow
13 Apr 2011 16:23

BTW maddie..the way you describe that new development i had "lotus Gardens" in my mind...although i dont know its state now...when my sister bought property there it was in good shape...

VusiK
13 Apr 2011 16:28

Thanks Maddie ... I'll start looking for a woman to share that life with the instant I start building, lol

siyamcela
14 Apr 2011 17:18

I'm confused abiut de elimination of Sebenzile,if de iz som1 who watch de episode 4rm the begining plz tell mi me what happnd exactly

Blaquegal
19 Apr 2011 09:56

Carino, I think you're hating on Sebenzile. 
Lyk Vusi,you weren't listening. I wonda y Vusi voted for Ayanda twice when it was clear that Sebenzile should have won. Is he intimidated by Sebenzile,it loooks lyk it. Johan should go next.

sarocks
20 Apr 2011 16:08

I was confused too @ Siya. Carino u pushing Lesley nawe. I thought you were smart. Thay guy is full of it. He would fit well in the ANC YL. He is all about the hype. Most of his points and vision is based on people feeling sorry for him and not get the *bleep!* up and change the world attitude.


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